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Author Topic:   Ground Zero Mosque - Tolerance, Racism or Comedy?
nwr
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Message 2 of 200 (582759)
09-23-2010 11:55 AM
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09-23-2010 11:50 AM


Surely that was intended as a joke to be shared among the bigoted.

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Message 12 of 200 (582790)
09-23-2010 2:34 PM
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09-23-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Tolerance
Straggler writes:
But is there a serious point regarding religious intolerance in there too?
In the email? No, I don't think so.
Perhaps I am too cynical. But I see the email as pretending to make a point about tolerance only as a way to deflect criticism. I don't think it is sincere.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 50 of 200 (583490)
09-27-2010 5:50 PM
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09-27-2010 4:37 PM


Tram law writes:
Christians:
Acceptable group to be intolerant to from liberals.
Muslims:
Acceptable group to be intolerant to by Christians.
Those seem to be rather sweeping generalizations.

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Message 52 of 200 (583505)
09-27-2010 7:06 PM
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09-27-2010 6:49 PM


Tram law writes:
Sometimes generalizations are true.
I suspect that most liberals are not intolerant of Christians - in fact, most US liberals probably are Christians.
Similarly, I suspect that most Christians are not intolerant of Muslims. Indeed, tolerance of others is usually considered a Christian attribute.
Tram law writes:
Such as when many liberals react to white conservative Christians (Sarah Palin for example), ...
As far as I know, the reaction of liberals to Sarah Palin has very little to do with her being a white conservative Christian, and has a great deal to do with her being profoundly ignorant.

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Message 54 of 200 (583518)
09-27-2010 8:02 PM
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09-27-2010 7:10 PM


Tram law writes:
Intolerant of conservative Christians is rampant among liberals.
That's not my experience. As far as I know, most of the people I work with are liberals, and they are very tolerant folk.
I'll grant that they are intolerant of in-your-face conservative Christians. But that's a very small proportion of conservative Christians.
nwr writes:
Similarly, I suspect that most Christians are not intolerant of Muslims. Indeed, tolerance of others is usually considered a Christian attribute.
Tram law writes:
Oh no? Then why are they protesting new community centers built in different parts of the nation?
Most of them are not protesting.

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Message 58 of 200 (583676)
09-28-2010 1:44 PM
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09-28-2010 1:27 PM


Tram law writes:
Then show me how they're intolerant of other kinds of jerks that don't happen to be like Sarah Palin and are indeed members of their own party. Show me they don't use generalizations as well. Of course, they'll never admit to it.
Many liberals are pretty pissed off at the Democrats right now. As they see it, the last election gave the Dems an excellent opportunity to make the kind of change that Obama had campaigned for. But, instead, they squandered their election win and got bogged down in intra-party squabbling and kowtowing to lobbyists.
Tram law writes:
When Hillary was using the race card against Obama during the President elect campaign, at least to my knowledge, they didn't go en masse to her and tell her she was being a Jerk.
What you are reading in your tea leaves is very different from what I am reading in my tea leaves (or maybe it is coffee grounds or beer dregs).
As I see it, Hillary had the nomination pretty much sown up. In particular, she would have received a large proportion of the black vote. Bill Clinton has been called "the first black president" because of what he did in his presidency. Black voters tend to be pretty loyal, and many would have voted for Hillary in a sense of gratitude. But when her campaign started using the race card, she lost that loyalty support. That sure seems as if it would count as a way to "go en masse to her and tell her she was being a Jerk."

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Message 67 of 200 (583710)
09-28-2010 3:28 PM
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09-28-2010 2:38 PM


Tram law writes:
I was not trying to be an ass or a troll, and I'm sorry if it seemed that way.
It has sometimes seemed that way. But that appearance has been a bit ambiguous, so I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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