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Author Topic:   Ground Zero Mosque - Tolerance, Racism or Comedy?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 40 of 200 (583243)
09-25-2010 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
09-23-2010 11:50 AM


Here's your subtitle
So is this a genuine and worthwhile dig at intolerance? Is it making a serious and worthwhile point? Is it anti-Islamic in nature? Is it just intended as a joke that shouldn't be taken too seriously?
Well, I lol'd (mission accomplished). "You-Mecca-Me-So-Hot."
Here's my answer: Who cares?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 42 of 200 (583248)
09-25-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Straggler
09-23-2010 12:01 PM


Re: Tolerance
I am inclined to agree in the sense that this blatantly targets Moslems.
The litmus test should be whether or not you would have the same reaction if it was any other group you are at odds with. Would you come to the aid of Christians if it were an email poking at them? Somehow I am skeptical that you would.
Some comedy is off-colored and offends some people. Let the people decide. You have the right to be offended, and I have the right to be offensive. A lot of comics careers have bombed because their joke wasn't received well. Let the audience decide.
But is there a serious point regarding religious intolerance in there too?
Yes, there's a good message in there about hypocrisy

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 116 of 200 (584965)
10-04-2010 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Straggler
10-01-2010 6:51 PM


Re: Targetting "The Line"
Dude the "the there is no line" argument is just false.
If enough people found it funny would torture on stage be acceptable?
I cannot conceive that you think it would. That is a line. A pretty low level line. But a line nevertheless.
What about less intense physical harm? Slapstick where the unwitting member of the audience ends up with an intended black eye for the amusement of others for example? Is that acceptable?
If your "line" is verbal abuse only is acceptable then - fair enough.
But that is still a line and you are still drawing it. No?
I think what he is saying, and I agree, is that this line you speak of is subjective. Who decides exactly where the line begins and ends?, is I think what he means.
Having been on the earth for more than a few years, most everyone on the forum understands social graces and social taboo's to some degree, even if we don't think we consciously do.
Some comics go overboard in my opinion, but I'm unclear on what exactly you'd like to see done to enforce said arbitrary line.
Isn't the FCC enough bureaucratic nonsense to fill a room with a steaming pile of excrement, as if bleeping out the word "fuck" is really morally better than just letting it ride? It's not like you're tricking anyone. We all know what the word was, so why ruin a perfectly good movie? It's functionally useless, and what a terrible waste of taxes.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 129 of 200 (585070)
10-05-2010 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Straggler
10-04-2010 8:25 PM


Re: Targetting "The Line"
My point is simpkly that saying "there is no line" is a false argument.
Society (for good or bad) has to decide what it will and won't tolerate. And comedy is no exception to that.
Sure, there is a social line. Not a well-defined line, as it is arbitrary, but a line nonetheless.
For instance, telling Holocaust jokes at a Bar Mitzvah might not go over too well.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 158 of 200 (585425)
10-08-2010 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by 1.61803
10-07-2010 4:20 PM


Re: Looking for the line with SCOTUS
Why can't the Military provide Military police escorts to these burial details, and make use of their night sticks to any one protesting or interfering with the dignity of the departed?
Because it violates Posse Comitatus.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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