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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/...s-activists-homosexuality
The "don't say gay" bill is perhaps one of the most evil things that came out from the christian right since those sodomy laws. Here are some things that will result from this bill if it gets passed next year. (1) Teachers will be forbidden to counsel suicidal gay kids because they are forbidden to mention anything gay related. (2) All literature having any mention of homosexuality will be thrown out. (3) In history class, teachers will not be able to teach that gay people were victims of the holocaust and other genocidal acts in history. Just a few things off the top of my head. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the mindset of these followers of christ. Jesus christ... Yes, chances are this bill will not get passed, or so that's what everyone is saying. But just the fact that it's gotten this far scares the hell out of me. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : fixed some things to be more politically correct. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
rbp writes:
There's nothing wrong with calling right or left wing. That's just a fact. Calling people right wing, left wing, conservative or liberal does not do anybody any good. Right people want to look back to the past and institute things like witch hunts and the inquisition while left people want to starve half the world so the planet could be greener. Ok, may be that's exaggerating it. But the point is I'm using these terms for the sake of convenience. Anyway, the fact remains that we always see these very evil intents coming from the conservative side of the fence. They keep saying the 50s were the golden age for some damn reason. Well, they forget things like segregation the power the KKK had on society. Some golden age...
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
So, we just got news from one of our friends down south. He's been living with his gay partner. As far as his family was concern, it was just his roommate. Recently, he had to have surgery for some complications. His "roommate" had to go on a business trip. His family said they'd take care of him. Well, on the last day that he was in the hospital, his parents came and asked him if he was gay. He said yes and they just left. His family took his car and just left. He had to use a taxi to go to a hotel and spent a couple nights there. When his partner heard about it he immediately flew back and took him home. And then they got news that his parents had loaded his car up with all his stuff in their house and dropped his car off at a walmart.
His partner and a friend went to pick up the car. In the car was a letter that simply said jesus don't approve of what you're doing... we don't ever want to see you again. And this guy just had a major surgery to save his life. This weekend, wife and I will drive down there to visit them. This christian bullshit is too much for me right now. Edit. Imagine what would have happened if the parents had found out when our friend was still living at home. Imagine how many gay kids became homeless because their parents were too christian to let them live at home? These people make me sick. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Oddly enough, I have a friend who just went through a divorce and went through the things your poem described. When I talked to her yesterday, I had to remind her that I don't judge and that as long as she's happy then I'm happy. Just that sentence from me made her more comfortable and she began to open up. Personally I've always thought her husband was a jerk.
Once upon a time I was in love with her. The thing that drove me away from her was our ideological differences. At the time I had already become an atheist and began to openly bring up gay rights issues. She remained a good christian girl. Anyway, one of my relatives, a good christian, told me "that girl" got problems for divorcing her husband. I almost snapped. The guy really is an asshole.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
The black and latino populations, after centuries of being oppressed, are doing a pretty good job at oppressing the gay population. Goddamn blacks and latinos...
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
You know about the stereotype that minorities like black and latino are uneducated and backward? Sure, not all of them are like that, but voting results continue to tell us that 70% of them are like that. Is it still stereotype if its true?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I don't think those are comparable.
1. They think its normal. 2. Israel has bent over backward maany times to appease the palastinian. Unfortunately, the pal leadership wants nothing but the extinction of israel. 3. Perhaps we should reinstitute segregation to remind them? I'm white so it wouldn't affect me. Don't care for their rights anymore.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Us whities are not the minority and so we have an excuse for not understanding what its like to be oppressed. Blacks and latinos have no excuse at all.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Actually, with regard to referandums like prop 8, the white pop showed only a slight imbalance. Its the minority groups that vote overwhelmingly bigotted.
Look, I go where the data tell me. I don't care about political correctness. We really should reinstitute segregation to remind them about the whole oppression thing. And shoot to kill at the southern border. We don't need more christian bigots making their way in here. We already got enough as is.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Or how about the times they removed settlers from areas? I don't claim that israel has never done anything wrong. They've done plenty. But they have also offered truce and negotiation.
Let me sk you this. What do you want israel to do? Added by edit. You seem to think I want to play this immature game of you not recognizing anything good about israel and me not recognizing anything bad. Tell me when you want to stop this silly game then we can talk. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
AE writes:
They're not strawmen. They're the inevitable consequence of such a law. all 3 of those are strawmen made up by the OP. It's like banning electricity but then deny that you're banning computers. Or here's another one. If you keep to the news as much as I do, then you should have heard about the TSA agents forcing a 95 yr old woman to remove her adult diaper. According to the TSA official press release, they didn't "force" her to remove the diaper. They did, however, give her an ultimatum to either remove the diaper or get the hell out of the airport. It's like me pointing a gun to your head and say "either lower your pants so I can rape you or I shoot you in the head" and then I turn around and say "I never forced him to take down his pants... he did all that by himself". Are you really going to play this childish game of semantics with us like the TSA?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
AE writes:
And what university did you go to? The university of jesus christ? I have a bachelor's degree in History and never read about the Gay Greeks in university (and I was educated in the Blue State of Illinois). I'm not only interested in history, I'm passionate about it. The only reason I didn't major in history and decided to pursue a field of science was because I strongly disagreed with the academic field being taken over by post-modernist drivel. You can try to wiggle your way out of this one by playing the semantics game. So, I'm going to preemp this by explaining what we're actually discussing. We are really talking about 2 seperate things here when we refer to "homosexuality". We're talking about "homosexuality" the word and "homosexuality" the concept. Most of the ancient world didn't have a word for homosexuality simply because it was such an integrated part of life that it was actually normal. The word didn't come until much later when the church decided to try to stamp it out. So, you're technically correct when you said ancient greece didn't touch on "homosexuality" the word. But unless you got your degree from either the university of jesus christ or a diploma mill, you're bound to run into "homosexuality" the concept. It's an integral part of our world history. Thanks for demonstrating how even a history major could totally ignore such an important part of our world history. It's like majoring in American History without ever reading about the Ghost Dance or the Trail of Tears. PS - Apologies to everyone for my very rare responses. I have a busy life. We're getting ready for another set of tests in the lab. And our funders (those sons of bitches that know nothing about science but control all the money) are making us beg for it. Free Tibet! Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
AE writes: I just prefer logic in a discussion, we all know what your prefer. Do you or do you not agree that homosexuality was an integral part of the classical era? If not, then are you a revisionist? If so, then how the hell did you miss that part in your supposed 4 years of history majoring? Added by edit. Or how about this. Are you aware or are you not aware that Martin Luther King Jr.'s right hand man in organization was an out the closet gay man? Try to guess what his name was. Conservatives at the time tried to stamp out the civil right movement by trying to stir up the homophobia within the black community. Surely, you've at least heard about this. Or is this not important enough to be covered in your American History class? Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Which part of history did you focus on? Let's start from there. Like I said, even though I work in science now, I am passionate about history... western and eastern.
Ae writes:
its not just a story. Goodness, let me guess, you don't care about the civil right movement because it doesn't concern you? Very tea party attitude. Likes to wave around your credentials and the constitution but doesn't know shit about history or the constitution. King's rallies almost didn't work because of the conservatives taking advantage of internal homophobia. In fact, because of black people's homophobic attitude, most people have forgotten the important roles the gay community played during the civil rights era. American history really isn't my thing, never heard that story before. Were you sober enough to learn anything in your history major researches? Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Ooooooohh, conservative vs conservative. Fight fight fight fight fight fight fight!
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