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Coyote
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Message 270 of 503 (677518)
10-30-2012 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by mindspawn
10-30-2012 7:32 AM


Re: No flood
I said other than rock dating have you got any more of these "thousands of facts" that would contradict that flood.
Sure. 1) There were no people around 250 million years ago to report on such a flood. 2) There was no genetic bottleneck in human populations in recent human history.
You then repeated yourself about dates. Well dates may contradict a biblical flood, but not a global flood at the PT boundary. Then you refer to "all the rest of scientific knowledge" . at least others are showing me actual objections, if the knowledge is there, post it.
You are ignoring the big picture: your argument about geology 250 million years ago in relation to a biblical flood is akin to arguing about whether there are pink polka dots on unicorns' butts. It makes no difference, and is silly besides.
But I suppose you are doing it because somehow, somewhere, you have to find something that will keep your belief in a global flood going.

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Message 316 of 503 (678856)
11-10-2012 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by kofh2u
11-10-2012 9:46 PM


Re: What???
I believe you have shown that a flood of water did not happen,...
...especially 40,000 years ago.
That would have been the moment when all other humanoids disappeared in a mass extinction.
In all my graduate studies and in 40+ years of anthropology/archaeology I have never heard of a mass extinction of humanoids at 40,000 years ago.
I think I'll need some good sources for this claim.
Only the three racial stocks of the present seven genetically different types of humans now roam the earth.
Seven racial stocks? Where do you get that? Most anthropologists who selected a number at all (most now don't) preferred 3, although Coon and a few others preferred 4. But Boyd at one time choose 6, while Garn at one time identified either 9 or 30, depending on methods. But 7?
Again, we better have some good sources.
This would imply that the "flood" was really a major population explosion of modern man, an Out-of-Africa emmigration, which lasted 40,000 years of "days and nights" is factually what happened.
Nonsense.
All other man-types disappeared, and modern man flooded the earth to the tops of the mopuntains.
Incredible nonsense!
It would also imply that Genesis (out of necessity) had to tell the truth, couched in this metaphor-like flood talk.
This is not shown at all by the above nonsense.
Because the Ark was really the skull of Modern man, capable of carrying all the names and visions of the animals into the next age of stone:
This is one of the most incredible examples of nonsense I've ever seen.
Where do you get this stuff? And why would you expect anyone to take it seriously?
Edited by Coyote, : Grammar

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Message 383 of 503 (680532)
11-19-2012 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by mindspawn
11-19-2012 5:21 PM


Re: dating accuracy issues
Some dating methods are calibrated based on assumed dates of other dating methods and therefore will correlate due to the rate being established like that.
If what you are describing is what I think it is, then...,
...this is a creationist myth that has most likely been passed from book to website to blog and back for a long time without anyone ever checking on it's accuracy.
It's most likely that you are describing "time stratigraphic markers."
First, some background. A "time stratigraphic marker" can be anything that is widespread, durable, easily identifiable, and which has a short temporal span. A classic example is the recent "pull top" from beverage cans. These were introduced about 1964, went out of style in the late 1970s, are everywhere, and are made of aluminum so they are very durable. Given all of these features, these little jewels will be great for identifying that specific narrow time period to archaeologists for thousands of years to come. Certain styles of glass bottles and pottery and a host of other items can also be excellent markers.
Now, we can apply that same principle to fossils in stratigraphic layers. Some layers contain fossils not found in the layers above or below them. Once those layers are dated using other means, then they can be dated wherever they occur by the "index fossils" they contain. These are simply time stratigraphic markers as used in geology. They work just the same, have good accuracy, and save the expense of radiometric dating. Why bother to do expensive dating when it has been done elsewhere, and those index fossils are easily identified to particular time periods?
But this simple technique is apparently enough to confuse creationists who 1) are looking for anything they can find to bash science, and 2) who generally know next to nothing about the science they are seeking to bash.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

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