How can we regulate guns ... ?

Background checks are good. Registration is not good, that gives the powers that be too much power to round us up if it comes to that. Strict standards for qualification for gun possession are good too, training sessions being mandatory perhaps. Drug testing might not be necessary but doctors could supply information about whether an applicant for a gun is on psychiatric drugs. In fact I wouldn't mind if that kind of information was made public. But not gun registration.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So we can throw out all your previous arguments. Excellent. You are free to believe that, but that doesn't make it true. One of your duties as a citizen is to be a member of society, to work and live with other people, and to abide by the laws and regulations that society as a whole deems appropriate. I asked if they had guns, which is what you claimed, and I asked if killing the homeowner was their intent: answer the question: "How many were carrying guns with the singular intent to shoot the homeowners?" Yes. That would be the rational and civilized thing to do. So some lives are more valuable than others. How Christian. So the old cut off the hand of a thief approach eh? How civilized. How did they get free of Mubarek? That was the question -- what guns did they use? Word games don't impress me.Do they not have the freedom to go where they want, do what they want, work where they want, sit where they want, marry who they want? I could list more, but it should be pretty obvious that this is not what slaves are allowed to do. Curiously, my epiphany was over 45 years ago, and it was that guns were not needed in my life, not needed to make enduring change for the greater good in our society, not needed for protection against fantasies and fear.Non-violent protest (which you ignore) is proven to be more effective in the long term. Because there is no rational civilian need for such systems. Because society as a whole does not see a need for individual civilians to possess such armament, when your second amendment rights are fulfilled by guns that do not have quick change clips\magazines, and only crazy people that shoot up schools "need" such destructive capacity. Why indeed. We could get by with 1/3rd of the current military budget and still be the biggest spender on the planet.We could spend the other 2/3rds on improving life at home and abroad.We could balance the budget instantly and put some away each year against the debt. Think how many doctors and teachers we could put in schools to protect and teach our kids about good health and getting a good education. Think how many kids living in poverty that could be helped out and into a better life.Think how universal health care could be funded with a fraction of that cost and benefit every US citizen and other people living here.So why do you think we are spending 1 trillion dollars on the military this year? To support the military industrial complex, corporations making profits from selling weapons to both sides?Apparently they already have your vote ... or willing acquiescence to sit fondling your gun while they take over.Enjoy.

Universal background checks for every time a gun changes hands, otherwise it will be as ineffective as current background checks. Without it background checks are pointless. It allows straw purchases as a way to circumvent the checks.

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A straw purchase or nominee purchase is any purchase wherein an agent agrees to acquire a good or service for someone who is unable or unwilling to purchase the good or service himself

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Straw purchases can be illegal in the United States when made at a federally licensed firearm dealership. If the straw purchaser of the firearm lies about the identity of the ultimate possessor of the gun, he can be charged with making false statements on a federal Firearms Transaction Record. If a firearm is purchased as a gift, the purchaser must indicate the intended recipient on the transaction record. Straw purchases of used guns are not illegal, unless the gun is used in a crime with the prior knowledge of the straw purchaser.[1]

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Straw purchases should be illegal for used guns as well as new guns. Registration of the gun owner with the gun ensures this. Paranoid delusion. I gave up boogy-man stories when I was 4."They" wouldn't worry about your pop-guns, by the time "they" are through taking your property, your work, your possessions and your savings, your guns will be inconsequential. Or haven't you noticed what has transpired in the last couple of years since Scrubbia helped cause the financial "crisis"? Which ties back to registration ... a document that show strict standards for qualification have been met. With a certain degree of proficiency being maintained on an annual basis in order to keep your registration. But would not know about hallucinogenic drug use. Violation of right to privacy. Best way to ensure that guns are in the owners hands, rather than someone who stole it or had someone straw purchase it.Enjoy.

Sorry, we need some other provision than registration. Funny how the boogymen such as Hitler and others have a way of making use of registration records when they want to round people up. No sane person assumes that it can't happen again. We can hope it won't but we cannot assume it won't. It was the whole reason for the Second Amendment in the first place.But you know what, all your concerns demonstrate that there is no way to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and that is supposedly the whole reason for this whole conversation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Versus 0 cases of mass homicide where it did work? Still looks like a losing proposition to me. I predict one inside a year, but the measures won't be in effect by then -- I also predict GOP foot dragging and misinformation.You realize, don't you, that Obama and Biden outlined 4 areas to tackle, only one involves any actual gun restrictions, and even there it was only the assault type weapons that were included.Another calls for universal background checks.The other areas tackle social aspects such as general school safety and mental health. Of course universal health care would be a benefit here, to help treat those with mental problems.In addition Obama has signed executive orders to call for more strict enforcement of existing laws and regulations.That whole package approach seems to me to be perfectly logical and a rational approach to the problem. What civilian purpose is served by having ammunition in quick change clips\magazines and guns that can empty such clips in seconds?If there is no civilian purpose then what right within society as a whole is furthered by some individuals owning such weapons? Curiously, people that want assault type weapons and ammunition to fight imaginary battles are (imho) the definition of insanity itself.But then I've never seen a single need to own a gun or carry a weapon in 65 years of happy, peaceful living. I've used guns, long ago, fired them, and then put them down and walked away.I grew up.Enjoy.

What deceit. It's never been TRIED. You have TWO incidents where guards didn't work but no others where guards even existed that I've heard reported. ONE incident in Oregon where a person had a gun and believes he succeeded in scaring the perp into suicide. Otherwise UNARMED PEOPLE in all the cases. Stop playing games.

Please show evidence that registrations were used to round people up. You speak so confidently about it that i assume you can point to the evidence such things have happened.

I've heard this from so many sources I don't even know where to find the evidence. Turns out that books on the subject may be particularly good evidence. This is all about the history of genocides which involved anti-gun laws including registration as part of the plot. Then there's a video I've linked at the bottom covering the same information.Some books: Lethal LawsA review of this book: Death by Gun Control This is a reviewer’s description of this book: Here’s a video that covers all this same history, Innocents Betrayed. Gun registration is one of many of the gun laws designed to leave people defenseless so that government can destroy them: GUN CONTROL LAWS ENABLE CRIMINALS OF EVERY KIND (including governments) WHILE EXPOSING THE INNOCENTS, THE GOOD GUYS, TO TYRANNY OF EVERY KIND. Here’s another book that doesn’t specifically focus on gun laws but covers the same theme of governments doing away with their own people: Death By GovernmentEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So no evidence at all. Assertions and right wing scare tactics. Find some evidences and sources please. Doesn't make it true does it.You notice how none of your "sources" actually provide any evidence. I wonder why?So your support is some reviewers words. No evidence at all.Wow!!!

What evidence could you possibly have for historical facts other than people saying they occurred? And if many people say it that ought to carry some weight. You are asking for a sort of evidence that isn't possible. I can round up articles on the subject but the books with their reviews that describe their content seem like good evidence to me that there is a history that is recognized by many people. If I owned the books all I could do is quote them and give their sources. What would convince you that historically genocides are linked to gun laws? Anything?

Ah, I see. So, for example, merely by existing, "9-11 Truthers" provide evidence that Bush was behind 9-11. After all, they say so, and there are many of them.Or maybe a bunch of crazy people saying crazy stuff isn't evidence of anything except their need to take their meds. Whereas by contrast it is possible to find evidence for real historical events that actually happened, isn't it? Well, you could kick off by providing evidence of the Great British Genocide which followed the introduction of more stringent gun laws in 1997, or the Great Australian Genocide which followed the introduction of more stringent gun laws in 1996. Or you could show that when the Nazis weakened the stringent gun control laws imposed by the liberal Weimar Republic, this helped to prevent genocide in Nazi Germany, and that no genocide occurred in Germany until the German people were completely disarmed by the Allies in 1945.

Faith says about the NRA: Hey, Faith? Question? If the NRA were to be put in charge of national background checks, would you be in favor of that? I think they could do a good job. And they'd have reason to do a good job....

They have a reason to do a bad job. They're funded by the gun industry, every sale is another dollar in the pocket of their paymasters. And the money of crazed loons is just as green and crinkly as everyone else's.

I just heard the NRA's anti-gun control ad.The President's children have armed guards why don't yours?Surely this sort of crazed nonsense will work against them?

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I just heard the NRA's anti-gun control ad.
The President's children have armed guards why don't yours?

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Surely this sort of crazed nonsense will work against them?

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It definitely should. I could hardly believe how low the NRA would be willing to go. Probably that ad was able to anger some people who are either unable or unwilling to comprehend anything complex.
The ad shows very clearly that the NRA has zero integrity and no real want or need to make things any better - loathable, just loathable.