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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I was making the comparison that guns were taken away apart from any laws in both cases.
Show me how the Executive orders are taking guns away?
The world did not know about the genocide occurring in germany; not poland. Thosewere two separate countries in case you didn't know.
Yes they did. Where the camps were located has no bearing on what was known. They were all run by Nazi germany.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Can you purchase any of the guns now mentioned in the executive orders?
Which executive order was that? If he banned a particular weapon I don't see it. Besides that wouldn't be legal.
quote: They knew about what was going on in poland and austria and other occupied countries. They did not know that jews were being forced out of their homes at gunpoint onto trains to be taken to the east to be exterminated in gas chambers. It was only made known to a few people and the top military leaders of the time make absolutely no mention of the gas chambers in any of their memoirs. Whatever you want to believe? But your argument that armed Jews would have resisted better and would have alarmed the world to action is plain silly. The allies didn't really care that much about the jews. If you want to provide some sort of sources supporting your view, by all mean I will consider it. But as you seem to be counter to all scholarship on the issue, you have a high bar to meet on this.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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But it doesn't take a lot of training to remove most of the danger that guns can bring. Gun safety is pretty simple. Military and police forces world wide would disagree with you. If this is true then military and police forces are wasting billions on firearms training. Gun safety is is simple. In theory. In application it is highly complex. Gun safety in any stressful situation is very difficult until the actions and movements become second nature. This only happens with a very high degree of training. A person with a 4 hour course on gun handling and safety is not an expert and is potentially more dangerous than doing nothing. Remember, contrary to earlier assertions, in a lot of states no training is required for concealed carry. None. Even trained individuals fuck up. I know of a deputy sheriff that shot his pinky off when his backup .380 went off in the dressing room of a clothing store. These things are dangerous in anyone hands. Why would we not regulate something that is dangerous and life threatening. That you are defending Faith's rants should tell you something about the strength of your arguments. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
one minor quibble
John Wilkes Booth killed President Lincoln with a six-shot pistol It was a single shot Deringer pistol.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Look at northern MN and WI. They are supposedly high gun violence. What a crock. You can't get any more rural. They are very democratic and progressive, but no high gun violence.
Hibbing, MN and Ashland WI are not areas of violence of any kind. More rightwing lies and propaganda. Nothing more.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I am glad you addressed this whole "natural right" thing. Might keep me from being attacked.
Surprisingly none of the great proponents of "Natural Rights", Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and Thomas Paine, had anything to say about guns. The whole argument, if you understand even the basics of natural rights, is just crazy. Here is a little something written in The Economist.
quote: I guess refrigeration and having a car is a Natural Right too.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Which TV channel made that?
LOLLike most of what the pro-gun crowd has to offer it is nothing more than propaganda. There is no sourcing for anything claimed. We are supposed to believe all of it because someone made a video. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Not directly. The right of citizens to arm themselves goes back even to Aristotle.
Not the same thing is it. Unless of course Ari and his buddies had firearms. Also, there is a HUGE difference between "right of citizens" and "natural rights".Take a look. Natural and legal rights I'm not the one grasping at poor data and applying logical fallacies to maintain my position.
But you seem to be very confused about natural rights and legal rights. Methinks you need to read some philosophy.
You have the Natural Right to own the arms that are normal usage of today.
You have not shown this to be true. As you don't know the difference between legal and natural rights I am not sure I can just take your word on this.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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