How can we regulate guns ... ?

Hi RAZD, I don't see that reason given in any of the arguments I can find.I do see where it is an assertion of RAZD.Why don't you present the arguments to back up that assertion?I would not argue that some if not many of the democrats of that day did not have the concern you are presenting. I just can't find where anyone made that argument to get the constitution ratified or the amendments.Remember the Republicans freed the slaves.The democrats have placed many black people back under slavery along with a larger numbers of white people as some 49% of the population is dependent on Uncle Sam to provide money for them to buy food and goods to survive on. All that is demanded in return is their votes at election time.God Bless,

There are over 300 million firearms owned by citizens in the US.
There are millions of 30 round magazines owned by citizens in the US.
Plastic magazines can be manufactured with little trouble.
Ammunition can be made by individuals with relative ease.And if you think there will not be gun runners like our government running guns you have less intelligence than I credit you with. Yea like in Switzerland where every house has a gun and gun deaths are so low they do not even keep a record of them.God Bless,

Hi RAZD, I have people come in and go out of my house all the time. It is a rare day that someone does not enter and leave my house.But if someone breaks into my house through steel doors or windows that are protected by steel shutters and me or my wife is in the house they will leave on a streacher. Because I or my wife will shoot and not ask questions.You just don't realize how hard it would be to get in my house. If someone were to go to all that trouble they would not have a polite conversation on their mind. Are you equating someone breaking into my house as the same thing that happened in that shooting?In fact I have not heard all the facts of that case and do not know if it was a justified shooting or not. I will leave that for the jury to determine.God Bless,

Hi RAZD, So where were any of those arguments made in the conventions to get the states to ratify them?I gave you arguments that was made in New York and Mass. that stated why the second amendment was in there. There is no mention of a compromise to get the southern states to ratify. I am sure it would not have passed without bipartisan support as there was republicans as well as the democrats that owned slaves. Those are not in the 49%. Why don't you take a nap and wake up in the real world. I have worked with many people in the last 45 years trying to help them help themselves. Some people you can help and others will take as long as you are giving. But if you try to help them to help themselves they will refuse. I have offered to take people who had no job and train them to do well paying work. They required me to pay them under the table as it would cut their welfare check, which I refused to do as it is illegal. So guess what they continued on welfare. Having no interest in working when they can get paid not to work. Would you like to enlighten me on what you are talking about in this quote in a private message? I know several people who worked fulltime at the local Wal-Mart and recently all their hours have been cut to where they are part time workers due to the healthcare laws that are taking effect.BTW the link does not work.God Bless,

Hi Omnivorous, In Message 819 I gave a link to a 1 hour production that covers all those mentioned. If that is not sufficient you could look up the information for yourself.God Bless,

Hi RAZD,Here is an article from Time World by a reporter in Geneva.TIME
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switzerlandThe Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works
By Helena Bachmann / Geneva Dec. 20, 2012

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Even as the gun-control debate rises again in the U.S. in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the gun-loving Swiss are not about to lay down their arms. Guns are ubiquitous in this neutral nation, with sharpshooting considered a fun and wholesome recreational activity for people of all ages.

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We will never change our attitude about the responsible use of weapons by law-abiding citizens, says Hermann Suter, vice president of Pro-Tell, the country’s gun lobby, named after legendary apple shooter William Tell, who used a crossbow to target enemies long before firearms were invented.

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Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.

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But the gun in every closet tradition was challenged in 2001, after a disgruntled citizen opened fire with his army rifle inside a regional parliament, killing 14 and injuring 14 others the only mass shooting in Switzerland’s recent history. The subsequent opposition to widespread gun ownership spearheaded a push for stricter arms legislation. The government and pro-gun groups argued, however, that the country’s existing laws regulating the sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on carrying concealed weapons, are stringent enough. The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased.

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The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military but not private ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.

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Read more: How Switzerland Developed a Gun Culture That Works | TIME.comPrivate ammunition kept in the homes.
Since the cal. of the rifles are the same the militia men have ammunition for their rifles, as they have always had.The sealed ammunition had to be accounted for if fired. No other ammunition that the militia men fired through the weapons had to be accounted for. What would reducing poverty do to reduce the senseless shootings that take place in the mass shootings?There is no money involved and the shooter usually dies, or spends the rest of his life in prison however long the inmates let him/her live.So you barking up the wrong tree there.Now as far as reducing crime that is debatable because it seems the more a person has the more he/she wants.Somebody asked Rockfeller how much money was enough and he said 1 more dollar.God Bless,

Hi RAZD, Why will the supply dry up?There are a lot of people that reload ammunition. That is they make their own bullets. Why would they put them away?And what makes you think they would wear out before our country collapses?How many years can we exist while the Federal government is spending 1.3 trillion dollars more than it has coming in?I think the guns will last a lot longer. Well my body and my wifes body is to be harvested for any parts that can be useful to someone and then used for study. Especially my wifes body. She has three sisters who died from cancer, 2 nieces, and one brother that has died from cancer. Her oldest sister is a 15 year survivor of breast cancer. My wife has never had any form of cancer and there are people who would like to know why. She participates in a Sisters Study presently.When they are done with the bodies they will dispose of them. I am sure my grandchildren will have my weapons by the time the last one of us dies. They have keys to the house.God Bless,

Hi xong, But that job has already been assigned by the ATF to licensed dealers.A database of all weapons purchased from a licensed dealer is kept for 20 years at present.You can find the ATF form at this google search. The pdf. file for form 4473 will give you the information required to buy a gun and the information the dealer has to have before he can put the gun in your posession. Including a NCIS number and the number of the examiner who approved or disapproved the sale.If a sale is denied the licensed dealer has to keep the application for 5 years.God Bless,

Hi Taq, Where can I find one of those shows?Everyone I have ever been too I had to fill out the 4473 form which requires a background check. Before I could take posession of a weapon.Now you might be able to find some individual with an AR15 that has had so many rounds shot through it that it is wore out offering it for sale. But who would buy a piece of junk.I buy new or I don't buy. To do that you have to go to a dealer..
You can't even buy one online as they can only ship to a dealer and you have to go pick it up. Before you can do that the paperwork has to be done including the background check. That is the way it works in my state.God Bless,

Hi Jon, I found these numbers Here

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However a key finding is that "the illegal market is the most likely source" for these people to obtain a gun. "In fact, more than half the arrestees say it is easy to obtain guns illegally," the report states. Responding to a question of how they obtained their most recent handgun, the arrestees answered as follows: 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.

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The illegal market is where someone in certain types of places in large cities can mention they are in the market for such and such a weapon. While remaining in that place for a while someone will approach and ask questions about said item. If they are satisfied that you are not undercover they may or may not offer the weapon you have mentioned you would like to obtain. Transactions can take place in less than 15 minutes.Why would a seasoned criminal go to a gun show, or break into someone's house looking for a gun? Although they can find some of the criminals who deal in illegal weapons in the parking lots at gun shows and even some inside walking around with a weapon for sale. They also run a risk of the person being someone undercover.Now idiots that have a depraved mind and are planning a mass murder of a lot of people may go through the regular chanels and if they are not qualified to purchase a weapon they will involve someone who does qualify to purchase a weapon for them.In other words if they want a weapon they will get one.If all weapons were confiscated in the US from law abiding citizens the criminals, military and police would be the only ones with weapons.The criminals would never turn in their guns for any reason.Because of that and the threat of government tyranny there are millions of law abiding citizens who will never turn in their weapons. Here is a news story, in October 1997.

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RALEIGH Raids across the country have turned up stolen military weapons and explosives. FBI agents have arrested six Marines from Camp Lejeune and seven other people from North Carolina.

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FBI and ATF agents say the arrests took place in all three judicial districts of North Carolina, including at least one man in our area identified as Harold Gustav Coach of Raeford North Carolina. Federal agents also raided the Massachusetts home of a Marine recently transferred from Camp Lejeune.

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The FBI, ATF and Naval Criminal Investigators have charged the Marines and civilians with trafficking in stolen weapons.

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"You have firearms and ammunition such as an M79 grenade launcher," explains ATF agent, Mark Logan, "and the Chinese manufactured semi-automatic version of the AK-47 converted to a fully-automatic machine gun."

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Some North Carolina military installations lead the nation in reports of lost and stolen weapons. Last year WRAL reported a computer analysis of five years worth of military records showed 37 instances of weapons lost or stolen at Fort Bragg, compared with 28 at Camp Pendleton, 25 at Camp Lejeune, 25 at Fort Hood and 23 at Fort Campbell.

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Weapons stolen in California July 2011.

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FORT IRWIN, Calif. — More than two dozen assault rifles have been stolen from a Southern California military base, and investigators sought the public's help as they looked to arrest suspects and recover the weapons, federal officials said Friday.

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Twenty-six AK-74 assault rifles and one Dragunov sniper rifle were stolen from a supply warehouse at Fort Irwin in San Bernardino County on July 15, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says in a statement.

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Some arrests have been made and one rifle has been recovered, but the agency is offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information leading to further arrests, the statement said.

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Read more: 27 Rifles Stolen from California Military Base | Fox NewsAs you can see weapons will be available regardless of what controls are in effect.God Bless,

Hi No, I can not find a licensed dealer in the state of Florida that will sell and transfer a gun to my posession without me filling out ATF form 4473 and them running a background check.Every pawn shop I have asked is the same.So maybe you know something I don't know.The licensed gun dealers are licensed by the ATF and if they break the ATF's rules they face stiff fines and lose their license.So what idiot who is a licensed gun dealer would put his livelihood on the line by not meeting the ATF's requirements by selling a gun to an ATF agent at a gun show.Now when it comes to individuals selling their own guns they don't have to have gun shows to sell their guns. A add in the local paper will do. But word of mouth is the best advertisement.God Bless,

Hi xong, The ATF licenses gun dealers. The ATF makes the rules for how those businesses conduct business. The ATF requires that all licensed gun dealers fill out a form 4473 preform a background check and enter that information on the form 4473. There are stiff penalities for not complying with the regulations. Stiff fines and even loss of license.All the ATF has to do is enforce the rules they have on the books.It doesn't matter whether the State or a county requires the dealer to obey the rules or not. They don't issue the dealer license nor can they revoke it.So why do we have to have new rules?I have posted where you can find the ATF form 4473 up thread if you are interested in the information required by the ATF for the dealer to collect from the buyer and NICS, before transfering a gun to the buyer.If the present rules can't or won't be enforced, what makes you think that new rules will change anything?God Bless,

To whoever is interested,You can find an interactive map Here.You can click on a state and it will give the number of:The total homicides and percent involving firearms.
Murders 2011
Murders 2010
Robberies
Aggravated assaultAlabama and Florida has no information.God Bless,