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New Cat's Eye
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Message 197 of 272 (706087)
09-05-2013 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by ringo
09-05-2013 12:02 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Catholic Scientist writes:
Its a problem when the people are only willing because of the intimidation by the threat of violence from the state.
So it's a hypothetical "problem", a situation that doesn't exist.
Its a situation that happens everyday.
I, for one, am certainly not intimidated by the police.
Sure, for one. People ignorant of their rights, a lot of people, are. Hell, even sometimes people who are fully aware of their rights get intimidated by the police. They do fuck people over, you know.
Here, this happened in my home town:
http://youtu.be/rJqq6KCOkdM
ABE: notice just after 1:40, its not an order to get out of the car but a "can I get you?" to step out of the car. That's the shit I talked about in Message 66
ABE2: At 5:08, you can see the "running No's" that I mentioned in that post as well.
ABE3: At about 5:38 you get to see what happens when you say no to a search: the cop just lies and does it anyways.
ABE4: At 7:19 you get a man who's been told he's free to go figure out that, really, not so much.
If six armed police showed up on my doorstep
What about six guys in plain clothes with guns that some of start walking around the side of your house?
Not the slightest bit of intimidation? Really?
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Message 201 of 272 (706155)
09-06-2013 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by ringo
09-06-2013 12:00 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Catholic Scientist writes:
ringo writes:
I, for one, am certainly not intimidated by the police.
People ignorant of their rights, a lot of people, are.
I'm not ignorant of my rights. Nor am I intimidated by the people whose primary function is to protect my rights.
I wasn't talking about you. But you're good, so fuck everyone else, eh?
I'm sure they do - and I'm sure they're accused of fucking people over ten times more often than they actually do it.
And I'm sure that the fuck people over ten times more often than their caught. So now what?
I mean, they're even trained on how to lie
quote:
Police lie. It's part of their job. They lie to suspects and others in hopes of obtaining evidence.
Are all Americans that timid?
No, this is more about not being naive.
Granted, I'm sure things are different out in the middle of nowhere up there in Stubblejump.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 205 of 272 (706220)
09-08-2013 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by ringo
09-07-2013 11:59 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Dividing society into "us" and "them" is exactly what I'm preaching against.
Huh? When I talked about people being ignorant of their rights and being intimidated by the police, your response was "well I'm not ignorant and I'm not intimidated". That was you immediately separating yourself from "them". How can you say you're preaching against it?
"We" are the ones demanding more police action to protect us from "them".
No, not in the U.S. We have corporations lobbying the government to pass laws that the citizens do not want. Take SOPA, for example.
If "we", the "law-abiding" majority, treat the police as oppressors we're the ones who are instigating the oppression of "them".
And if we don't call out their oppression, then they're gonna keep walking all over us. Your attitude makes it worse.

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Message 259 of 272 (706440)
09-11-2013 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by ringo
09-08-2013 2:51 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
I don't believe "they" are as timid or ignorant as you portray them.
The general American public? You need to get out more.
Or take MADD or SADD.
Nah, let's stick with SOPA. Do you care to address the point?
They are not "walking all over us". You do not live in a police state.
Yeah, you just get a team of six cops visiting your house if you Google the wrong things.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 262 of 272 (706444)
09-11-2013 5:04 PM
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09-11-2013 5:00 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Well if you don't care to address my point then I'll just stop replying.

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Message 264 of 272 (706447)
09-11-2013 5:15 PM
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09-11-2013 5:13 PM



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New Cat's Eye
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Message 265 of 272 (708229)
10-07-2013 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by ringo
09-11-2013 5:00 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
ringo writes:
They are not "walking all over us". You do not live in a police state.
Yeah, you just get a team of six cops visiting your house if you Google the wrong things.
You're the one who needs to get out more. That is definiely not an indication of a police state.
And you'll get shot to death if you freak out drive around all crazy, even if you have your 1 year old child in the car with you

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 267 of 272 (708343)
10-08-2013 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by ringo
10-07-2013 11:52 AM


Here's some Vietnam vets getting arrested for refusing to leave the NYC memorial:
source
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