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Omnivorous
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Message 146 of 272 (705483)
08-27-2013 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by ringo
08-27-2013 12:49 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
ringo writes:
But what motivates fascists to use force? Do you think they'd use force if they got cooperation without the use of force? Do you think they get up in the morning and just decide to use some force today for fun?
Yes, I think fascists do exactly that.
Did you think they don't? You've never sounded naive to me before--I think this badly framed thread led you astray.
The sheer libidinous, adrenaline-junkie rush of performing violence upon another clearly motivated the bully-boys of my school yards.
I think they would have all grown up to be fascist regimes, if they could have.
Maybe they did.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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Message 150 of 272 (705615)
08-29-2013 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by ringo
08-28-2013 11:46 AM


ringo writes:
You're putting the cart before the horse. Bulies are attracted to fascist regimes but they don't necessarily create them. It's more likely that fascist revolutionaries have been bullied and just want to get the bullies on their side.
Why is that more likely?
You seem to be telling me that it's bullied bullies, all the way down. While I agree with Auden that:
quote:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
I also know most victims do not become victimizers.
So, no, I don't think that bullies drawn to fascist parties are trying to appease bigger or better organized bullies. I think some folks choose to use violence and other forms of coercion against others because they choose to prioritize power and its satisfactions.
Which is why fascists wake in the morning with dreams of forcing and hurting still dancing in their heads.
Edited by Omnivorous, : too many others

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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