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jar
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Message 2 of 272 (704059)
08-02-2013 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
08-02-2013 6:41 PM


No, you are not right to be disturbed.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 4 of 272 (704064)
08-02-2013 8:20 PM


Of course I dare to do a search on "pressure cooker"
Why would I have any worry about searching on most anything?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
jar
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Message 32 of 272 (704913)
08-20-2013 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dogmafood
08-20-2013 7:48 AM


Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
It is the equivalent of saying that because you have a gun you are therefore guilty of murder. Or because you have a pressure cooker and a backpack that you are therefore guilty of terrorism. I would hope that we can all agree that that volume is too high.
Nonsense. Utter nonsense.
There is no equivalency there.
If you have a gun while drinking in an area where there are other people would be equivalent and there, you should be charged and IMHO, your right to ever again have a gun taken away.
Your next assertion is also flawed and nonsense. If you are searching the internet for information on the Boston Bombing, pressure cookers and back packs then yes, it is reasonable to be questioned about why you are searching for that information.
In the example in the OP I see no threat or violation of anyone's freedoms.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 36 of 272 (704963)
08-21-2013 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Dogmafood
08-21-2013 9:11 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Bullshit. I am throwing no rights away and you have never even suggested what rights I have thrown away.
Would you agree to having your house searched because you participated in this discussion? I mean just look at how many times we have mentioned pressure cookers. What would you consider to be unreasonable?
I cannot even imagine why anyone would want to search my house based on this conversation and would really think anyone suggesting that was a little nuts. I'd laugh a lot and show them my weapons, ammunition, knives but sadly, no pressure cooker. I do have some plastic bottles, co[sub]2[/sub] cylinders and espresso machines.
But that of course is totally unrelated to what happened in the case in the OP.
Just what rights were infringed in the example in the OP?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 38 of 272 (704966)
08-21-2013 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Dogmafood
08-21-2013 9:48 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
But there was no unreasonable search.
Go back and read the actual account of what happened as opposed to the editorial comments.
quote:
The story later took on a different complexion when police finally explained that the investigation was prompted by searches a family member had made for pressure cooker bombs and backpacks made at his former workplace. The former employer, believing the searches to be suspicious, alerted police. Catalano said the family member was her husband.
There is no expectation of privacy when doing searches on a work computer.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 42 of 272 (704999)
08-21-2013 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by onifre
08-21-2013 5:33 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Actually I don't see it as unreasonable at all.
The police asked permission to come in and to search the house, the search was cursory, no one was charged or accused of anything.
Where is there any indication even of "unreasonable search"?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 44 of 272 (705003)
08-21-2013 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by onifre
08-21-2013 6:26 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
You don't think it is unreasonable for the police to search your home just because an employer claims you were searching specific items online?
But they didn't search until they asked if they could search. I don't think it is unreasonable to take the time to investigate reports that could be related to terrorism.
The police did not force entry, did not do anything more than ask questions and do a cursory search and only after asking and receiving permission.
Where is there any indication of an unreasonable search?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 46 of 272 (705013)
08-21-2013 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by NoNukes
08-21-2013 10:16 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Too funny.
Damn good thing that isn't what happened then.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 49 of 272 (705021)
08-22-2013 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dogmafood
08-22-2013 7:39 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
The first thing I say is "Why?."

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 52 of 272 (705032)
08-22-2013 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by onifre
08-22-2013 11:51 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
I'm very cool with how this went down, in fact I think it was handled extremely well.
And yes, I think the police should have been there in the first place. They received a report that an employee or ex-employee had been researching the Boston bombing as well as pressure cookers and backpacks on a company computer system.
Had the police not investigated I would think they were very derelict in their duties. I also imagine that had they not investigated and had there been a terrorist attack they would have been loudly condemned by the entertainment system jokingly called "News" in the US ever since the US Conservatives destroyed reporting and news.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 55 of 272 (705040)
08-22-2013 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by onifre
08-22-2013 12:39 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
More sophomoric rhetoric and misrepresentation of what actually happened.
I have never said that anyone should trade freedom for temporary security. I do not see any indication that any freedoms were traded or rights infringed.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 57 of 272 (705044)
08-22-2013 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by onifre
08-22-2013 12:47 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Please show where I said that.
What you might THINK I suggested is irrelevant to what I have actually said.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 59 of 272 (705046)
08-22-2013 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by onifre
08-22-2013 1:02 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
But that is NOT what happened.
The reality is that the police got a report and investigated the report.
It really is that simple.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 63 of 272 (705061)
08-22-2013 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by New Cat's Eye
08-22-2013 2:54 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Well, we only have the somewhat colored and suspicious report from the wife for that. But three SUV's and six cops in something that might be terrorism is not unreasonable at all. Note that no where even in the wives account is there any mention of drawn guns or threats or force or even intimidation.
It seems from both accounts that the police were mannered, polite, the search cursory, that no attempt to look in cabinets or closets or most any potential hiding places was made. Permission was asked, questions answered and the police left.
Sorry but I see nothing but very reasonable and appropriate response.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 65 of 272 (705063)
08-22-2013 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by New Cat's Eye
08-22-2013 3:27 PM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
Seems you must be easily intimidated.
Sorry I see no trickery. How is asking something tricky?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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