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dronestar
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Message 39 of 272 (704967)
08-21-2013 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Dogmafood
08-21-2013 9:11 AM


Re: Your examples are not equivalent and in the OP no rights were infringed.
I am also frightened by such opinions Proto.
quote:
Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens. ~ Britney Spears
I am utterly flabbergasted how many americans have similar faithful thoughts. "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear about the government secretly searching you". Ugh.
The trust that americans give our representatives to make secret laws using secret courts is completely opposite to democracy. The founding fathers, albeit far from perfect, knew the temptation of absolute power and the world of tyranny, so they built into the american government as many checks and balances as possible. Yet, america has developed into being a police state. Americans, so terrified of the boogeymen that it's own government has created (it used to be the communists, then the drug sellers, and now 'terrorists'), willfully exchange their rights and liberties for SOME hopeful protection. As if there is enough money and resources to prevent ALL 'terrorist' attacks (Boston Bombing).
Our representatives spend far too little money against cancer, car accidents, inner-city violence, smoking, and obesity. How many hundreds of thousands of lives lost? Reduced funding for education, health care are always acted on. But to our representatives, there's not reduced liberties or enough money in the world to deal with just 11 cases of terrorism in America since 9/11.
It's BIG business for contractors to spy on america. And the secret law makers have ties with these companies. It's totally conflict of interest. They have a vested interest to enlarge the business of spying on americans. Yet most americans trust them. Ugh!
The thoroughly petrified Americans dutifully go along with whatever ridiculous "safeguard" the "authorities" mandate. From no nail-clippers on aircraft to violating the search and seizure laws of the 4th Amendment.
I continue to ask our representatives, if you are really concerned about terrorist attacks, why not try stopping the actions that cause them: drone assassinations that kill children, illegal military support for Israeli crimes against Palestinians, anti-democratic and dictatorial support for fanatical regimes such as Saudi Arabia.
Americans give only 10-20% approval rating to our representatives, yet always vote 99% of the representatives back into office. WTF? We're truly a nation of Britney Spears (retards).

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Message 50 of 272 (705023)
08-22-2013 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Dogmafood
08-22-2013 7:29 AM


Re: The cure is worse than the desease
Proto writes:
I think that there are some risks that we need to endure in order to enjoy the benefits of being free.
I enthusiastically agree.
Unfortunately, with the american government constantly pushing the 'defcon 5 button,' the fear of most cowardly and ignorant americans is through the roof. The final result is the public cannot hand over their rights and liberties quick enough to hope the already ridiculously low risk of terrorist attack (just eleven deaths since 9/11), is even lower.
Edited by dronester, : added image

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Message 125 of 272 (705344)
08-26-2013 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Dogmafood
08-23-2013 10:11 PM


Re: The cure is worse than the desease
Proto writes:
I agree that the natural and reasonable fear of terrorism that the average person has is being exploited and that is the problem. It is an emotional response.
Yes, but there's also real fears such as global warming or america turning into the equivalent of 1930s germany . . .
But either way, I think the best cure for fear is knowledge. Unfortunately, the only problem with knowledge is that some (most?) people prefer to live with their delusions. Anyone who has spent anytime on this forum knows the futility of enlightening the faithful to scientific enlightenment.
A while back Straggler made a semi-serious request for a limited set of needful books in a post-apocalyptic world. I just started reading "Howard Zinn on History." With that, I would like to make an addendum to my previous list and include these titles:
* A People's History of the United States by American historian and political scientist Howard Zinn
* Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media Paperback, by Edward S. Herman, Noam Chomsky
* What's the Matter with Kansas? by American journalist and historian Thomas Frank
* The Prince (Italian: Il Principe, by the Italian diplomat, historian and political theorist Niccol Machiavelli
To return this post to the topic, if more people read and understood 'What's the Matter with Kansas?' I think there would be less cowardly and more empowered americans. They would be less likely to blindly follow the governments fear tactics.
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According to the book, the political discourse of recent decades has dramatically shifted from social and economic equality to the use of "explosive" cultural issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, which are used to redirect anger toward "liberal elites."
What's the Matter with Kansas? - Wikipedia
(Some of these books are already reading material for high schoolers. If I could, I would make them mandatory for grammar school kids. I think people should be indoctrinated early with the mindset that they should ALWAYS question the elites, people in charge, government, the 1%ers.)

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dronestar
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Message 127 of 272 (705347)
08-26-2013 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by onifre
08-26-2013 10:45 AM


Re: The cure is worse than the desease
Hey Oni,
Thanks for the reply, we are probably nit-picking . . .
Oni writes:
I don't think "indoctrinating" is the best plan there, since then we'd become the "people in charge" that we are telling them to question.
Hmmm. Yeah, the word "indoctrinating" does sound sort of menacing (not to mention the catch-22 aspect).
However, I meant the word only as school-administrators might use it on students: "the indoctrination of young students into mathematics or reading/writing."
Oni writes:
I think making the literature available . . .
I think if some great literature (Huckleberry Finn, Shakespeare, Grapes of Wrath, etc. ) could me made MANDATORY reading, then why not my list?
Oni writes:
allowing them to form their own opinion, is best.
If their opinions are based on knowledge and critical thinking, yes, great! If based on fearful, superstitious, bronze-age mindsets, no.
Edited by dronester, : added catch-22

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Message 154 of 272 (705656)
08-30-2013 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Straggler
08-30-2013 9:18 AM


Re: I am over 12 years old and moderately educated...
Straggler,
I don't think you're quite getting jar's acceptance (delirious rapture) of a hopeful global police-state. The following, such world, wouldn't displease him at all:
Edited by dronester, : fixed link

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dronestar
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Message 158 of 272 (705670)
08-30-2013 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ringo
08-30-2013 11:45 AM


RingO writes:
fascism succeeds where the people want fascism
No ethical, brave, or thinking person would ever want fascism . . .
quote:
What luck for the rulers that men do not think. Adolf Hitler
quote:
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens." Britney Spears
Mankind is doomed.

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