Why is evolution so controversial?

Oh and I keep forgetting to state the main point about the Kaibab plateau, which is that people keep saying the same processes that formed the strata are continuing as they always have, but the huge expanse of the Kaibab alone should tell you it's not going on as it always has. Where on earth is anything like that continuing on such a scale? And consider also those diagrams of the different strata of North America that HBD posted on a thread a while back, strata that extend across the entire continent. Layer after layer extending for vast distances. That is NOT going on anywhere today. The accumulations of sediment you can point to here and there are paltry little collections by comparison.All this adds up to the fact that the strata are a done deal, they've been built, your "time periods" have come to an end. Not only are they no longer being laid down over such great distances any more, but as I keep pointing out, all the major disturbances to the stack as a whole have occurred in "recent time," AFTER they were all laid down. The tiltings, the faultings, the canyon cutting, the cliff forming, the volcanic intrusions and so on and so forth.And where is the sediment that should be accumulating still above or in the Grand Canyon and Grand Staircase today? It's not happening, it would be ridiculous to expect it to happen and yet for supposed hundreds of millions of years you all think that's what continued era after era. What brought it to an end?NONE OF THIS FITS YOUR GEOLOGIC TIMESCALE, it fits the model of A ONE-TIME EVENT that built the whole stack after which it underwent tectonic disturbance, which is exactly what would be expected of the worldwide Flood.IT'S OVER AND DONE WITH, it is NOT an ongoing accumulation of sediments like a gigantic hourglass that tells time. The Geologic Timescale is a FICTION!

Thanks I guess. I didn't know what NN meant about when I'm right I'm right, but it didn't seem to be about the misunderstanding. So I don't think it ever got resolved but it also doesn't matter any more.

Frako: There IS microevolution demonstrated in the fossil record for sure, which is for instance demonstrated by the many different kinds of trilobites, but there is NO way to determine which is the "parent" and which the offspring, what you have is what we always have with microevolution, simply a wonderful array of varieties or breeds. The parents could in fact be in the higher layers, there is absolutely no way to know.ABE: As for "Kinds" the statement I made was simply that microevolution supports separately created Kinds, which does not require specifying what those are. However, I've argued plenty on that subject elsewhere anyway. /ABEErosion time is reduced when you have an enormous quantity of water dealing with newly laid sediments. The idea that it takes time doesn't deal with the physical task of denuding a huge expanse of limestone, time won't do it, it takes something that washes and scours and preferably when the sediments are still not completely lithified.And for NN: I've always been considered to have a good scientific mind. From before I became a Christian. The ToE is not science, it's fantasy and to think scientifically about fantasy simply requires recognizing that it is fantasy and answering it as the mental construction it is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No no no no no, you have it all wrongThis is the Proper Procedure for using test tube with pipette:You must lay the test tube flat on the table. Oh first stuff the open end with, oh, pink bubble gum so the green stuff won't leak out. Then you poke the pipette into the bubble gum to help stabilize it, let it stand there like an acupuncture needle (this test really benefits from acupuncturing the bubble gum) while you take your electric drill to the side of the test tube now facing up so as to open up a REAL opening. It helps to wear goggles for this experiment. {I drew this procedure on Paint but as usual I am unable to post images here. But the description may suffice.} Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Excuse me but
BULLSHIT.What utter nonsense to think the ocean floor rises and falls. You guys can't even tolerate the idea of one Flood but you've got risings and fallings of land and sea to accommodate whatever scenario you think is required to fulfill your idiotic Geologic Timetable and all the rest of the Evofantasy. One layer has stuff that lives on dry land so you postulate a dry climate for that "era" but the one above it has stuff that forms normally in water, so you assume the sea rose so that that stuff could form,. THIS IS CRAZINESS.SHOW ME THE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. This is just another absurd piece of cobweb spinning. THEN show me how it's going to beome the continent and the contentns are going to sink or whatever nonsense follows.Your fossils do NOT demonstrate evolution, they demonstrate the usual splitting into breeds and races and varieties and you CAN'T tell which is parent and which offspring. Bunch of nonsense.Yeah you've tolod me your fantasy hundreds of times and I'm sure you'll tell it to me another hundred times but a lie is a lie, a fantasy is a fantasy,.ABE: Oh imagine thaty, deposition hyas stop;ed becvause it's in a region that's being eroded, well isn't that convenient. What sltopped it, why did it stop at all. IT STOPP:ED BECUAE TYHE FLOOD WAS OVER. But as I said you guys can rationalize away anything.And again I WANT TO SEE THOSE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. That's just another piece of the mental castlebguilding. GET REAL,.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I used to be able to load my images to my blogs and could post them here from there. That no lojnger works flor some rason. Mwaybe I'll try Pho9tobucket.Yes I used images from the web for my Proper Test Tube Procedure with Pipette

The point is that it's a major event for the sea to rise but the "Geologic Timetable" requires that it rose and fell who knows how many times to accommodate the silly idea that the contents of the rocks grew in place.AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOMN OF THE SEA SINCE I KNOW LAYERS FORM IN WATER. What I doubt is that they are like the Geo Column and that there is any way they would ever become part of the continents. AND THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, see cores, see descriptions, see exactly what they really are, what life forms if any they contain and so on. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN how the ocean bed is going to rise while the continents fall.Of course you have to stick the supposedly continuing Geologic Timetable out in the ocean because it clearly stopped forming on the continents about 4300 years ago.

I'll say it again: There are fossils of many related creatures in the fossil record, different breeds or races of certain animals, including the trilobites and various reptilian sea creatures among others off the top of my head. These variations do not demonstrate anything more than the development of different forms of the same species we see all the time, the black and the blue wildebeest, brown, black and white bears, different elk, different deer, different sheep, the many breeds of dogs and cats, the different varieties of plants, all demonstrating the enormous variety of the different Species and not demonstrating at all, either in the fossil record or in living species, anything other than diversity built into the genome of each, NOT evolution in any sense that climbs up the strata from one form to another. AGAIN, you have NO way of knowing which population in the fossils record is parent and which offspring and it is just as likely that the parent is at the higher levels as at the lower.The whole shebang is pure ASSUMPTION, pure mental construct, NO REALITY.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I KNOW sediments are still forming, and I ALREADY SAID SO. They do not form on anything like the scale of the Geologic Column and there is no REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE STOPPED FORMING THAT COLUMN EITHER ON YOUR THEORY. They stopped because the Flood stopped.

I googled "ocean floor sediment layers." Funny there's really nothing at all similar to the geo column down there. Perhaps you have other evidence?GoogleAnd somewhere in there someone remarked that considering how old the earth supposedly is, a few billion years or so, there should be a lot more stuff on the ocean floors than there is. And what there is isn't in anything like the layers of the Geo Column.

Also googled
Ocean floor sediment cores which also doesn't demonstrate anything along the lines of the formation of a geo column. So much for your knowledge of geology.And if you don't want to discuss my views don't respond to my posts.

Kind of a weird idea anyway that the geo column should stop forming on the land and take up where it left off at the bottom of the ocean. Now in fact it hasn't done that as my last couple of posts show, but the idea itself is amusing enough to comment on. So typical of the mental nature of all this, all interpretive silliness, no reality, but of course a lot of aggressive assertions of the ignorance of the opposition, which makes one wonder why you feel the need. Perhaps you are deep down a tad afraid I'm right and then what would you do?And again there is no reason for it to ever stop forming on the land anyway if the timetable theory is correct. What reason can you possibly give? You have none. 'Cause there is no Geologic Timetable, it's all a mental construct without a shred of reality. It got laid down and then it stopped getting laid down when the Flood stopped because it's just a stack of layers of sediments with dead things in them that the currents of the oceans created. SO clear, SO simple, SO real.

I don't think it was a creationist as a matter of fact but if there's a question it should be somewhere on that page I googled.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Bible is the word of God, it's not science, the criterion does not apply. One is to read the Bible using one part to build on another.

I don't see anything like the sedimentary layers of the geo column.