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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Oh I don't know - I sometimes get a little kick out of offending with prayer. I like to think of it as tough love (but really it's just a guilty pleasure).
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
I've always loved those verses, since I hate praying in public. It always feels like I'm just saying "ditto" to whatever the lead person is praying about.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
I haven't noticed that in our church, but I can see how that might happen.
The problem I have with group prayer, is I often don't know where they're going with it, so my mind tends to wander a bit. I get all Walter Mitty at some point - until I hear "amen". Then I'm back again.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Fridays are National Darwinian Logical Fallacy Day (NDLFD), where everyone wears a traditional coat made of dino sceathers. So that's out.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined:
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Omnivorous writes: You may rue the day you let government determine which prayers are officially sanctioned and which are not. I have to agree with that statement. I can foresee a day when John McCain, after finally becoming President sometime after his 120th birthday, decides to invoke Romans 13:1-2, in order to invade the last remaining countries we have yet to occupy.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
For evolution to be true, there can be no God - or at the very least He would become a liar. So indirectly, atheism is being taught in public schools, via evolution.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
The "days" and "nights" in Genesis clearly rule out evolution, from God's perspective anyways. There would simply not be enough time.
If 2 + 2 could ever equal 5, then that might suggest that the laws of logic are in fact evolving. From a purely materialistic point of view, an atheist has to consider that as a possibility. So it follows that an atheist is the one who may one day teach 2 + 2 = 5. Or maybe 2 + 2 = banana. I like that one better.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
What part got loopy? The banana? I can concede that.
A blue sky is something we can observe just about every day, so she's no more teaching atheism then if she were to proclaim up is up and down is down. Or that true is true and false is false. Jack, on the other hand, in addition to his pink sky with green spots, might also declare that thick-boned, scaled theropods eventually morphed into hallow-boned, avian feathered flying things. But then, we can't observe that like we can the blue sky, so we would then know that Jack don't know Jack. You're not suggesting atheism implies that there is no God, are you? Because that's unknowable from a natural worldview, so that would make atheism a belief system, possibly even a religion.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Does evolution leave room for a supernatural Creator?
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
No, I'm almost certain that's not what they all believe. There are some Christians who believe in evolution, though I'm not sure how they sell themselves on that.
God is not a democracy. The majority does not get to rewrite the books of the Bible.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Good thing I didn't make that foolish choice then.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Nonsense. What does logic have to do with materialism, anyway? Absolutely nothing and that's my point. Materialism can only deal in the natural, not the supernatural. Logic, on the other hand, is immaterial. You can't hold it, it has no atomic weight, it hasn't evolved over billions of years - and yet the laws of logic are universal and absolutely nothing can violate them. How can the atheist worldview (which must incorporate evolution) account for the existence of logic? My point is - if atheism/evolution were true, then logic would be constantly changing and evolving. Thus 2 + 2 could one day equal 5.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Sorry, did I miss Dr. Adequate's question somewhere?
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
I agree with you, on both a: and 2:.
My point regarding "atheist/evolution" is that they're both inseparable. I know there are christian evolutionists out there, but you'll probably not find an atheistic creationist any time soon.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3416 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
In what capacity? Did He create life and then just walk away? That doesn't make sense. A being capable of creating everything, must be more complex than His creation - otherwise He becomes obsolete.
In other words, if He is more complex than we are, it's illogical to conclude that He would create us and then fade away into obscurity. There can be only evolution, or a creator, but not both. An evolutionary god repudiates himself.
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