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Author Topic:   Open letter to all Atheists.
Minnemooseus
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Message 3 of 235 (726035)
05-05-2014 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-05-2014 9:16 PM


But Jesus was offended by public prayer
quote:
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
Mathew 6:5-7
Got it here: Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 84 of 235 (726201)
05-07-2014 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by faceman
05-07-2014 12:29 AM


The text about the creation vs the creation
As Christians, they're in effect saying that God was either mistaken, or lying, when He said that He created everything in six days and all creatures were created after their kind.
No, they're saying that the Genesis story is not accurate about how God (allegedly) created everything.
You have the choice - Believe the superficial printed by man word, or believe what can be seen by actually looking at the creation.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 213 of 235 (730120)
06-23-2014 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
06-23-2014 2:16 PM


Re: But Jesus was offended by public prayer
Repeating the verse from message 3:
quote:
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
riVeRraT writes:
That verse is about hypocrisy, not praying in public.
Verse 7 seems to be the hypocrisy aspect of praying in public. {Added by edit #2 - OK (do'h), there's more about hypocrisy there than just verse 7. But so what. It makes the anti-public prayer message even stronger. You're being an advocate of hypocritical prayer.}
Faceman, in message 13, writes:
I've always loved those verses, since I hate praying in public. It always feels like I'm just saying "ditto" to whatever the lead person is praying about.
Watch out for doing that "meaningless repetition" thing.
quote:
...when you pray, go into your inner room,...
I'm sure that, even in a crowd, one could "go into your inner room", and pray without making a public display of it. Or does prayer to you mean you have to include some sort of physical display? In other words, make a show of it?
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Screwed up a quote box.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Edit #2.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 217 of 235 (730137)
06-24-2014 5:39 AM
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06-24-2014 4:52 AM


Re: But Jesus was offended by public prayer
riVeRraT is arguing against a clear cut teaching directly from Jesus. The atheists have Jesus on theirs sides here!!!
riVeRraT, in message 2003, writes:
Luke 11:1 [ Jesus’ Teaching on Prayer ] One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.
This verse is the lead in to the Lords Prayer. Which, if not initially, now seems to kind of be an example that contradicts Jesus' instructions in Mathew 6:7:
Jesus writes:
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
Maybe it's Jesus being against organized religion.
Moose
ps. The avatar is "Hissy" not "Zippy".

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