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Author Topic:   Open letter to all Atheists.
Faith 
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Message 179 of 235 (726971)
05-14-2014 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by riVeRraT
05-14-2014 7:38 AM


Re: evolution vs God/creation
Could we have been created to evolve?
Not according to the Bible, which gives time indicators that show the age of the Earth is not long enough, as well as the information that the original couple lost their immortality when they sinned against God. Evolution can't exist where there is no death, and since death entered there hasn't been time.
Does the bible explain exactly how he created us from dirt? Does evolution explain where we came from?
No and no.
To all you Christians, and atheists. If God is the creator of the universe, and at a certain point in time He decided to have us believe in Him by faith (John 3:16) then it is most likely He removed/masked all objective evidence pointing directly to Him, or how He did things.
I don't know what you mean here. If you mean that we are blind to God apart from what scripture reveals about Him, that is true, but that's the result of the Fall or our first parents' disobedience of God. The death that resulted was first a spiritual death. The intimacy they had experienced with God before their sin was lost and they could no longer experience His presence as they had before. God became remote to them at that point and we've all been born into their spiritual deadness. You have to appreciate the whole context of scripture to get an appreciation of all this, you can't just know a few verses.
This is why creation science is stupid. Even if we were created, we would never be able to show it. We are like ignorant little children compared to the Creator of the universe, and it is probably very amusing to Him watching us trying to figure it all out (or maybe not).
Not at all, which should be clear from an appreciation of what scripture reveals about God's attitude toward us. Even in our sinful state we are made in His image, Man is born "in honor" and yet because of sin is "like the beasts that perish." That's Psalm 49 in a nutshell. Our animal nature is not a sign of evolution but of our fall from honor.
ABE: Never got to the important point here which is that God loves us, we are His highest creation, made in his image but sadly degenerated from the honor in which He created us, and He had mercy on us by providing us the scriptures to guide us in our blindness to the salvation that is meant to restore our original condition, or really even a better condition. /ABE
Everything requires faith. But believing in God requires much more faith than believing if the sun will rise tomorrow.
I suppose so, but scripture was given to us to build our faith, that's its purpose as there is nothing outside scripture that can overcome our fallen blindness.
I have 5 kids, and all of them once they started going to high school started coming home with the notion that there is no way a God can exist based on what they were being taught. So while schools do not openly teach atheism, their way of teaching leaves anyone with a rational mind no other logical conclusion. As if we knew everything. I tend to think that most atheists base their non-belief on there education. So yes, I think schools are teaching atheism. Been there, done that. I was agnostic for most of my life. The reason? Church made me that way, and so did my education.
I think I agree with what you're saying here, or most of it. Schools are where a lot of us lost our faith. That happened to me at the age of fifteen under the relentless religion-bashing of a geometry teacher and the company of atheist friends. Christian parents these days are alert to this effect of the schools and do what they can to prepare their children to withstand the onslaught of atheistic assumptions. I wasn't much of a Christian at the age of fifteen, a very nominal believer at best, so it wasn't hard to lose what little "faith" I had, if it can even be called faith. I lived the next thirty years as a fairly aggressive atheist, at least some of the time. I'm so grateful God decided not to leave me in that condition. But anyway, yes, the schools destroy Christian faith unless it's very strongly nailed down. The early schools in this country were based on the Bible and the Westminster catechism. Education must be built on the Christian religion in a nation that wants to survive and prosper.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Edited by Faith, : to add ABE paragraph

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Message 215 of 235 (730134)
06-24-2014 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Dr Adequate
06-23-2014 11:24 PM


Re: But Jesus was offended by public prayer
Not even the most severe critics of the Bible have ever accused it of being consistent.
That's of course because its consistency is something that is spiritually discerned, seen clearly only by believers.

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