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Author Topic:   Open letter to all Atheists.
Straggler
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Message 120 of 235 (726260)
05-07-2014 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by faceman
05-06-2014 6:18 PM


Contradiction
faceman writes:
For evolution to be true, there can be no God
faceman writes:
You're not suggesting atheism implies that there is no God, are you? Because that's unknowable from a natural worldview..
First you assert that whether God exists or not depends on whether evolution is true or not then you say that the existence of God cannot be determined from a natural worldview.
You appear to be contradicting yourself.

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Straggler
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Message 129 of 235 (726312)
05-08-2014 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Phat
05-07-2014 11:40 PM


Phat writes:
Perhaps he wants to see...
Doesn't God already know?

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Straggler
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Message 135 of 235 (726341)
05-08-2014 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Phat
05-08-2014 10:14 AM


Re: IF God is
Phat writes:
Well He is how He is...im only speculating how He is..
Well your speculated God apparently needs to conduct experiments involving humans in order to see how they will behave in different scenarios.
Is that consistent with your notion of God?

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Straggler
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Message 137 of 235 (726343)
05-08-2014 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Phat
05-08-2014 11:14 AM


Re: IF God is
Phat writes:
I wouldn't suggest that allowing humans to live out their nature and development is for Gods education.
But that is exactly what you DID suggest.
Phat writes:
Perhaps he wants to see if we can develop our characters and morality enough to make peace.
Wouldn't God know whether we can do this without actually having to make it happen to see what we do?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 141 of 235 (726352)
05-08-2014 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Phat
05-08-2014 11:41 AM


Re: IF God is
What has us foreknowing anything got to do with your original point of God making conflict happen to see how we respond to it?
If he is as all-knowing as most Christians would have us believe he knows how we would respond thus making your "Perhaps he wants to see" point entirely moot.
Dr A writes:
What purpose? Does he get off on watching wars?
Phat writes:
Perhaps he wants to see if we can develop our characters and morality enough to make peace
I repeat - Doesn't God already know?

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Straggler
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Message 167 of 235 (726458)
05-09-2014 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by faceman
05-08-2014 7:22 PM


Re: Contradiction
Then, by the terms of your own argument, teaching evolution isn't teaching atheism.
Evolution may well be incompatible with your very specific and limited notions of "god" but that is neither here nor there. Indeed most Christians are perfectly content to accept evolution so it seems to be your notion of god that is the problem here.

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Straggler
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Message 176 of 235 (726961)
05-14-2014 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by riVeRraT
05-14-2014 7:38 AM


Re: evolution vs God/creation
RR writes:
So while schools do not openly teach atheism, their way of teaching leaves anyone with a rational mind no other logical conclusion.
I'd argue that is not so much a consequence of "their way of teaching" as it is the consequence of critical thought.

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Message 187 of 235 (727011)
05-14-2014 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by riVeRraT
05-14-2014 11:32 AM


Critical Thinking
RR writes:
Faith is not taught in schools..
Actually in the UK it is a legal requirements for schools to undertake a daily act of worship. But apparently about 2/3rds of schools ignore this.
RR writes:
You say it as if critical thought is superior to any other way of thinking.
Well critical thought in the broad sense of the scientific method has led to undeniable progress in terms of knowledge while theistic thought seems rather lacking on that front.
RR writes:
All I see are close minded people angry at religion.
But I'm not "angry at religion". I just think religious thinking is flawed and rather outdated. If my son's school did undertake the daily act of worship it is supposed to I wouldn't exercise my right to withdraw him from it I would just explain to him why I think it is a bit silly.
It strikes me that you are quite angry at those who advocate critical thinking.

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