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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
What purpose? Does he get off on watching wars? Perhaps he wants to see if we can develop our characters and morality enough to make peace...despite the preplanned conflict. Either we can eventually....which may be all God wants...or we ultimately find that we can't...in which case we need communion and reconciliation with God.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
As gods go he is is extremely weak and powerless. Hypothetically, I suppose we could invent a more powerful god. It may well be, however, that God has set for Himself sort of a non-interference rule..like they did on Star Trek. Were God powerful enough to interfere, it would certainly give you no option to do what He wanted you to do. Would you rather have it that way? (Hypothetically of course) And I realize you have neither a belief in any existing Gods nor a compulsion to create your own....am I right? When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes:
Perhaps he wants to see...Straggler writes: Well He is how He is...im only speculating how He is... Doesn't God already know? God...if God exists...is either a product of human imagination or He imagined/created us long before we had the capacity to talk...or think very deep.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
vimesay writes: I would not suggest pre-planning. I would suggest foreknowing awareness. It is we who initiated the conflict. What I'm saying is that God foreknows whether humanity will make it or die out. He perhaps chooses to work in communion with us on an individual level...exhorting, teaching and encouraging yet NOT directing our affairs. For some of us, it is preferred that there be no need for such a God all together. Quite simply, we become the decisions that we make. If God does pre-plan conflict, with its attendant huge death tolls, pain, horror, grief and suffering, in order just to check from time to time if we've got a bit of moral fibre somewhere, it's kind of shitty.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Well your speculated God apparently needs to conduct experiments involving humans in order to see how they will behave in different scenarios. I wouldn't suggest that allowing humans to live out their nature and development is for Gods education. More so, it is for our education. Is that consistent with your notion of God? My notion is that God chooses limited interference on an individual level. Critics may suggest that if God didnt exist, humans would do the exact same thing. At any rate, humans learn (hopefully) from past mistakes and conflicts. Our increasing wisdom is cumulative and shall serve a deeper purpose some day...hopefully.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
good point. He may foreknow...but do we foreknow how we will end up?
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Zippy writes: I'm sure that, even in a crowd, one could "go into your inner room", and pray without making a public display of it. Or does prayer to you mean you have to include some sort of physical display? In other words, make a show of it? Prayer can be silent and introspective. It need not be even uttered...thinking it is good enough.When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This page Is as close as I could get to the critics idea of any atheist agenda.
It can be summed up thus:quote:Of course I think that humans need guidance from a Higher Power than ourselves...but thats just the Phat Agenda. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Its true that I am sloppy in checking my sources...I tend to read something and go with it. In fact, it took me awhile to read that pamphlet and realize that it was pro God and not anti Theist.
I disagree with most members of my church in that I think that our belief is illogical based on what humanity knows. I will argue, however, that humanity needs more than human wisdom in order to solve the greater problems that we collectively face---problems that will magnify in the coming years...global resource competition, wars and killing, addictions and compulsions, and taking ourselves beyond this planet. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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