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Phat
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Message 127 of 235 (726294)
05-07-2014 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Dr Adequate
05-07-2014 5:51 PM


What purpose? Does he get off on watching wars?
Perhaps he wants to see if we can develop our characters and morality enough to make peace...despite the preplanned conflict. Either we can eventually....which may be all God wants...or we ultimately find that we can't...in which case we need communion and reconciliation with God.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 131 of 235 (726330)
05-08-2014 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Theodoric
05-08-2014 9:09 AM


Speculations and Assertions
As gods go he is is extremely weak and powerless.
Hypothetically, I suppose we could invent a more powerful god.
It may well be, however, that God has set for Himself sort of a non-interference rule..like they did on Star Trek. Were God powerful enough to interfere, it would certainly give you no option to do what He wanted you to do. Would you rather have it that way? (Hypothetically of course)
And I realize you have neither a belief in any existing Gods nor a compulsion to create your own....am I right?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 132 of 235 (726331)
05-08-2014 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Straggler
05-08-2014 7:07 AM


IF God is
Phat writes:
Perhaps he wants to see...
Straggler writes:
Doesn't God already know?
Well He is how He is...im only speculating how He is...
God...if God exists...is either a product of human imagination or He imagined/created us long before we had the capacity to talk...or think very deep.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Message 133 of 235 (726334)
05-08-2014 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by vimesey
05-08-2014 5:50 AM


God: Needed or Unneeded
vimesay writes:
If God does pre-plan conflict, with its attendant huge death tolls, pain, horror, grief and suffering, in order just to check from time to time if we've got a bit of moral fibre somewhere, it's kind of shitty.
I would not suggest pre-planning. I would suggest foreknowing awareness. It is we who initiated the conflict. What I'm saying is that God foreknows whether humanity will make it or die out. He perhaps chooses to work in communion with us on an individual level...exhorting, teaching and encouraging yet NOT directing our affairs. For some of us, it is preferred that there be no need for such a God all together. Quite simply, we become the decisions that we make.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 136 of 235 (726342)
05-08-2014 11:14 AM
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05-08-2014 10:58 AM


Re: IF God is
Well your speculated God apparently needs to conduct experiments involving humans in order to see how they will behave in different scenarios.
Is that consistent with your notion of God?
I wouldn't suggest that allowing humans to live out their nature and development is for Gods education. More so, it is for our education.
My notion is that God chooses limited interference on an individual level.
Critics may suggest that if God didnt exist, humans would do the exact same thing. At any rate, humans learn (hopefully) from past mistakes and conflicts. Our increasing wisdom is cumulative and shall serve a deeper purpose some day...hopefully.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 138 of 235 (726346)
05-08-2014 11:41 AM
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05-08-2014 11:19 AM


Re: IF God is
good point. He may foreknow...but do we foreknow how we will end up?

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 216 of 235 (730136)
06-24-2014 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Minnemooseus
06-23-2014 11:22 PM


Re: But Jesus was offended by public prayer
Zippy writes:
I'm sure that, even in a crowd, one could "go into your inner room", and pray without making a public display of it. Or does prayer to you mean you have to include some sort of physical display? In other words, make a show of it?
Prayer can be silent and introspective. It need not be even uttered...thinking it is good enough.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 229 of 235 (730244)
06-26-2014 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
06-24-2014 12:45 PM


Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
This page Is as close as I could get to the critics idea of any atheist agenda.
It can be summed up thus:
quote:
"Life, the only thing we know, all that we have, is thrown aside by faith in something beyond our termination. If you are one of those who knows that life here and now is wonderful and should be lived to the fullest, you are one of us... According to sociological studies, there are about 22.5 million persons in the United States who are Atheists, persons who have rejected the concept of spending their lives preparing to die; persons who have found the ultimate freedom, FREEDOM OF THE MIND."
Of course I think that humans need guidance from a Higher Power than ourselves...but thats just the Phat Agenda.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 231 of 235 (730248)
06-26-2014 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by hooah212002
06-26-2014 1:00 AM


Re: Its The Lack Of Proof, Stupid
Its true that I am sloppy in checking my sources...I tend to read something and go with it. In fact, it took me awhile to read that pamphlet and realize that it was pro God and not anti Theist.
I disagree with most members of my church in that I think that our belief is illogical based on what humanity knows. I will argue, however, that humanity needs more than human wisdom in order to solve the greater problems that we collectively face---problems that will magnify in the coming years...global resource competition, wars and killing, addictions and compulsions, and taking ourselves beyond this planet.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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