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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
If you are offended by prayer in public places, or government institutions, that offends me. How about a compromise? We have a rotational prayer concept, so different prayers are utilized in different meetings. Monday Meetings - Lord's PrayerTuesday Meetings - Muslim Prayer Wednesday Meetings - Jewish Prayer Thursday Meetings - Hindu Prayer Friday Meetings - Hawaiian Shirt Day and Ho'oponopono cleaning meditations and prayers How does that sound?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I am NOT offended by atheists. I am grateful for them. They help clean up crony religion and I believe are actually doing God's work. Not to be a naysayer, but atheists believe ALL religions are crony. So if we are doing god's work, he seems to have issues with every religion.
I am offended by hypocrisy. You don't want prayer because it offends you and you feel like religion is being forced on you. However, in telling us how not to be, you are telling us how to be and doing the same thing you don't want done to yourself. Sorry, but this is word salad. It is not hypocritical of atheists or any other religious denomination to not want prayers to become part of a government meeting. The whole point is that one religion is being given special treatment over others. And that is outright wrong. If you want to see examples of this type of philosophy, you can visit Iran or Saudi Arabia.
As far as separation of church and state goes, that should not be used to take God out of government. That's not what it was meant for. Our very first document states that our rights are endowed by our creator. In actuality, yes it should. Religion,god, what-have-you have no place in politics. And incidentally, the reason that the Founding Fathers specifically chose the word 'creator' was because it was ambiguous. It did not invoke a deity in any way, despite the fact that some people give it that label. God was not used in any of our documents and this was done deliberately.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Atheism not taught in schools? That's a good one. Ok, now I gotta ask: what course did you take where you were explicitly taught 'atheism'? I myself don't recall any such course(s). Although I do recall almost five years of mandatory bible classes which still existed when I was young.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Those are your beliefs. You are forcing them on the rest of us. There's your hypocrisy. Forcing our beliefs on you, as you are asserting, would basically be a mandate at the beginning of a government function where there was a declaration of some sort that 'there is no god'. Do you have an example of something like that occurring?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
If I have a boolean variable, assign it TRUE, it can't then at the same time become a walnut. If your programming language is not strongly typed, then it is easy to turn 'true' into a 'walnut'. $somevariable = "true";// Change variable $somevariable = "walnut";
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Could you show me an example in C# or SQL? P.S. Someone else can try the C# version.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Your example is simply a string being replaced by another string. Guess you know about as much about programming languages, especially variable typing in weakly typed languages as you do about atheism or interpretation of the Constitution. Here is a quick reference if you need it: Strong and weak typing - Wikipedia Oh, and you are welcome.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
C sharp is primarily a statically typed language. It is possible to circumvent that, but probably bad practice. Yes, I am aware. Actually did MFC and Win32 programming back in the day. But you can use casting to adjust variable type. I think the following would work: class VariableTypeAdjust{ static void Main() { bool variable_bool = true; string variable_string; // Cast variable from bool to string variable_bool = (string)variable_string; variable_bool = "walnut"; System.Console.WriteLine(variable_bool); } } The output should read 'walnut'. Note1: I am a little rusty on this stuff.Note2: I think faceman is a troll and I am actually just fucking with him.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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I don't see why people keep saying faceman is a troll, I rather like him. His flippant manner of responding is pretty indicative of a troll. But hey, I could be wrong.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
I can make no sense of this post, possibly because its referents are the imaginary world in your head rather than the real one.
I am not offended by atheists because I think they are from God.There is plenty of evidence around of their agenda being pushed on me, this forum is a prime example. I can take it or leave it, just like you can. Why is it that majority only rules when it supports your position? Nor I. How is back and forth discussions in any way pushing our 'agenda' on you, riVeRraT? Are we mandating that you think a certain way? Are you being forced to think in some fashion? This is an open discussion forum and you are free to participate however much or however little you like. People disagreeing with you are pointing at holes in your logic do not have an agenda. Last time I checked, we are not going to your house, knocking on your door and telling you what we think. Nor are we attempting to pass legislation that would force you to think one way or the other.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Praying at a government function also does not force you to participate. Again, the majority rules only apply when it supports your position. The participation is not the issue. The fact that a prayer is being leveraged as part of an official government meeting is the actual issue. I am curious how all you Christians would react if government meetings starting having Muslim prayers. Or Jewish prayers. Or better yet, a bunch of atheists starting the government function basically invoking statements that there is no god. You claim this would not bother you, but I am pretty certain Christian's would be up in arms over such behavior. And I find it ironic that you keep complaining about 'majority rules'. That is the crux of the problem in that the majority of this country is Christian and they have been continually trying to push their agenda on everyone else for a long time. Blue laws in states. Prohibition. Banning gay marriage. You and your ilk have been using 'tyranny of the majority' to get your way for decades. The only thing that has kept you in check is the Constitution. If that was not around, we would likely be a backwards theocracy by now.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Maybe a good compromise would be to have a few moments of silence for prayer/meditation/reflection to get your heart and mind prepared for the task at hand and to commit to unselfishly doing the right thing. Our Congressmen/women could certainly use such a time Interestingly enough, that was what the public schools did when I was growing up in Canada. We originally had a mandated Lord's Prayer when I was in elementary and middle school. However, this was eventually phased out in favor of a 'moment of silence'. I think in the end, even that was removed as many people stated if someone wanted to start their day with a prayer or a moment of reflection, they can do that first thing in the morning. School, after-all, is meant to be for book-learnin'.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It all depends on who is doing the praying. As long as it is not the Government sanctioning and endorsing the prayer and it is simply a citizen doing the praying it should be legal in the US to pray at an government function. And I wouldn't have a problem with this either.
And while you are right, a lot of Christians would get their feathers ruffled by an Imam opening a governmental function I think it would be great. As an atheist, I would actually enjoy seeing the aftermath of such an occurrence.A similar issue happened in a Texas town several years ago. They used a loophole to allow for 'religious materials' to be distributed to students as part of a school function. As a means to get bible verses passed around. Unfortunately, several Pagans and Muslims decided to use this loophole to pass around their religious propaganda. And guess who was irate over this situation? Yup, the fundamentalist Christians. We atheists would have been upset, but we were too busy laughing.
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