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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
I was referring to a possible reason why rich Muslims might want to help poor Muslims. Whether their "help" actually helps is irrelevant when we're talking about their motivation.
ringo writes:
They're the ones who are doing the beating down. Literally. As for people being poor, the people in this refugee camp have not undergone a sudden accession of wealth. It isn't unusual for people with education and money to want to help their brethren who are poor and beaten down.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
Exactly. When people want to die for their cause, killing them is not the way to defeat them. It's the way to encourage them.
Well in that case it's a recruiting poster with the slogan "Be A Terrorist And We'll Kill You" superimposed on a picture of the corpse of Bin Laden.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
I'm glad you have such complete inside information on what "they want".
They don't "want to help poor Muslims", they want to carry out the will of God as they understand it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
Non sequitur. The Nazis didn't want to die for their cause. They were reluctantly willing to risk their lives, just like the Allied troops were, just like the troops on both sides are in every war. In the case of Muslim terrorism, we have people who literally want to die. If you kill them, they win.
ringo writes:
And if the Nazis had thought they'd get 72 virgins if they died for Hitler, we should probably still have shot at them. When people want to die for their cause, killing them is not the way to defeat them.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Diomedes writes:
No you're just channelling Faith.
Often times, we place political correctness on some sacrosanct pedestal and anyone that states something, even a basic fact, is immediately labeled as 'intolerant'. Diomedes writes:
That's a rather silly over-simplification. "Europe's society" is not monolithic. There are parts of Europe that are as bad as Saudi Arabia. Five minutes ago, there was a Communist bloc that was The Great Satan of the moment. Their secular values were called WORSE than religious hegemony at the time.
Europe's society is BETTER than that of Saudi Arabia. Diomedes writes:
Yes there is.
There is no debate here....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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~1.6 writes:
And France, Russia and the USA had better get ready for wave after wave of new recruits and new terrorism.
Well they better get ready for some grade A encouragement in the coming weeks from France, Russia, and the USA.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
Good for you. What changed?
I was passionately and vocally against the Iraq war. Dr Adequate writes:
We should avoid repeating the mistakes of Iraq. Defeating ISIS militarily will not put an end to terrorism any more than defeating Saddam Hussein did.
The question is: what should we do now?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Percy writes:
We have created a monster and he is us. But what I would say is that we have created a monster that we may now have to slay, and that might require the very kind of indiscriminate killing we abhor. We can either win at all costs or we can honourably lose.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
I'm not suggesting that we should let ISIS get away with anything. I'm suggesting that we shouldn't help them by doing their recruiting for them.
I also know for a fact that if we let ISIS get away with their shit then we're like the people who appeased the Nazis, or like how we let Pol Pot get away with killing 25% of Cambodians.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes:
And of course you trust them to be scrupulously honest. Our own governments "adjust" the truth to suit their motives but the bad guys would never do that, would they?
I obtained this information by reading their public statements about what they want. It's not "inside information". It's what they say in their public statements.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dr Adequate writes:
We bomb civilians. We don't behead people for being gay or for being Christian or for being the wrong kind of Muslim. Rape and slavery are not part of our ideology. We are not the monster. We shouldn't be using our enemies as the yardstick for our own behaviour. We need to set a higher standard for ourselves. We are the only monster that we can control.
Dr Adequate writes:
Honour is where we say: I won't rape a rapist and I won't torture a torturer.
Even more if this is our fault, we cannot honorably lose. HONOR is not where we say: we fucked it up, so we must not lift a finger to put it right.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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~1.6 writes:
No. I advocate keeping our hands clean for the sake of cleanliness. Cleanliness may have a cost.
Do you think that if the US practiced complete pacifist isolationism that we would not be victims of terrorism? ~1.6 writes:
IF they lose, it will be because they don't have the support of the Muslim world. Encouraging Muslims to support them is not the way to defeat them.
They are bringing about their own destruction because this kind of idiotic mentality is self defeating. The world is not ready to go back to the middle ages and bow to sharia law.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
~1.6 writes:
We don't have to wallow in filth. It's never too late to clean up our act.
To late for that sorry but nice sentiment. We are in bed and there is a wet stain. ~1.6 writes:
They don't need the support of the world.
They will lose because they do not have the support of the world. ~1.6 writes:
Exactly. They will rebuild for another day.
Once their leadership, money and ordinance runs out they will slither back into the crevices from whence they came to rebuild for another day.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
You have to understand the difference between good capitalist factory-made bombs and those evil socialist home-made IEDs.
But, it seems most people prefer using more bombs.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tangle writes:
Your irony detector is malfunctioning. The implication is that WE too hold life cheap; we just have a different price list: lives of other faiths are cheaper; lives of people standing beside terrorists are dirt cheap.
THEY hold life cheap? THEY?
Yes they do. That's why they blow themselves and others of the same faith up.
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