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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
AbE: The message seems even more relevant today than in 1964. Edited by jar, : higher quality video Edited by jar, : see AbE: Edited by jar, : found the confessions of a Republican ad as wellAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Good God, I remember the Daisy Spot. The other one, Confessions of a Republican, I never saw. But the Daisy Spot ... that hit home.
I was much too young to vote but coming off the Kennedy assassination and the live murder of Oswald on TV, that Spot reinforced the fact that this was a violent and evil world I was living in. A few years later I was in Vietnam. Yeah, it all runs together. Thanks for resurrecting a nightmare.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Donald details his foreign policy team:
quote: Oh, yes! This man needs to be given the football, the button and the keys to the kingdom.
source Should this have been in Humor? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Donald Trump writes:
Maybe he should use that one instead of his own. ...I have a very good brain.... Edited by ringo, : spelling.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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The New York Times editorial page was particularly hard on both The Donald and the Republicans today. From No, Not Trump, Not Ever:
quote: And from Republican Elite’s Reign of Disdain:
quote: An aside: Given the decline in life expectancy among middle-aged whites in some regions of America, it's difficult to understand the hostile attitudes toward government subsidized health care in those same regions. Of course, it's equally difficult to understand their Republicanism in the first place, given that Republican constraints on government's ability to reign in big business are responsible for a lot of the economic mess we've been through in the last decade. --Percy
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Of course, it's equally difficult to understand their Republicanism in the first place, given that Republican constraints on government's ability to reign in big business are responsible for a lot of the economic mess we've been through in the last decade. Ah, but the problem is, the masses were spoon-fed a different story. The decline in their standard of living was blamed on trade deals and illegal immigrants. That was the narrative that the Republicans have been utilizing to foster outrage in their base as a means to get them to vote. However, as you alluded to, the true cause of the decline in their standard of living has been corporate outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to cheap labor regions. And while they may cite 'NAFTA' as being a contributor to this issue, that does not hold water. Most of the outsourcing of jobs went to countries outside of North America. Pakistan. India. China. Indonesia. Etc. So it wasn't the poor Mexican family who snuck across the border and are now picking fruit to make ends meet that took their jobs: it was the upper echelons of corporate power that found a way to increase their margins and thereby line their own pockets. The Donald is essentially a manifestation of all that pent up outrage. Now, the Republicans are realizing (too late) that years of rhetoric and negative campaigning have created a monster that is outside their ability to control. Interestingly, there is similar outrage on the left which helped Bernie with the success he had up until recently. But most of that anger I think was a partial hold-over of the Occupy Wall Street types. The younger crowd who had to step into a horrible labor market in the aftermath of The Great Recession.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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An aside: Given the decline in life expectancy among middle-aged whites in some regions of America, it's difficult to understand the hostile attitudes toward government subsidized health care in those same regions. Of course, it's equally difficult to understand their Republicanism in the first place, given that Republican constraints on government's ability to reign in big business are responsible for a lot of the economic mess we've been through in the last decade. I'm not sure the Donald's rise is entirely due to the economic woes of people in the US, for the reason that he is not an isolated case. Here in Czech Republic we have a President who's not so dissimilar to Trump (though thankfully the Presidential role here has less power). But he was not elected at a time of declining living standards. Median incomes are on the rise, and unemployment is at it's lowest level since the end of Communism. Living standards are improving, and yet people are dissatisifed. And it's not just here. Just next door in Poland, another country with rising living standards, they recently elected a populist nationalist government, which after only a few months in power has already declared itself unbound by the decisions of the Constitutional Court, while in Slovakia - another country with rising incomes - fascist parties managed to get about 15% of the vote just a couple of weeks ago. I can't help but feel that Trump is part of a wider pattern of growing disdain for liberal democracy in favour of populist demagoguery, of whose causes I'm unsure.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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What scares me more is the idle speculation that's been going around about Trump considering Ben Carson to be "very involved with education, something that's an expertise of his."
Please, no! I don't want my kids' education to be in any way influenced by a man who concluded the pyramids at Giza are grain silos because the Bible has a story about grain storage in Egypt, and nothing else in that country was big enough. And no, I don't care how many conjoined twins he's successfully* separated with his gifted hands: he's still not an expert on education!
* Success, as defined by Dr Ben Carson Edited by Blue Jay, : No reason given.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Donald Trump writes: ...I have a very good brain.... Maybe he should use that one instead of his own. Though he carries it with him it's not where can get to it.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Percy writes: Humphrey won his party's nomination back in 1968, so I had to think a minute and look up Humphrey before I could figure out the comparison you're drawing, and I'm still not sure. Is it that Trump's denial of the Republican nomination in a multi-candidate race would be like Humprey's denial of the presidency in a multi-candidate race? From the wiki: quote: Please note, "Even though 80 percent of the primary voters had been for anti-war candidates, the delegates had defeated the peace plank by 1,567 to 1,041." If Trump supporters feel the will of the majority, or at least a plurality, has been thwarted by the mecanations of the minority, as happened in 1968, would they react in a similar fashion? I think that is a definite possibility and I am not alone in this analysis. Do you understand now why we find a similarity? Edited by anglagard, : title and we in last sentenceRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Point to remember.
In Chicago '68 it was the police that rioted, just as at the il Donald rallies it has been the Trump supporters who attacked protesters. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes: Chicago 1968 was a different scenario altogether. Different scenario, similar cause (denial of popular will), somewhat similar outcome (police riot 68, potential supporter riot 16, but riot all the same). Please see my response to Percy. However thanks for the history lesson for those not old enough to see it all unfold on TV, who unlike ourselves did not witness it a bit firsthand as we did.
The good news is that the same could destroy the Republican party in 2016 leading to the election of anyone other than Trump or Cruz, and (we can dream) rip the Senate out of Republican hands in the meantime. Speaking as one who is only slightly younger than you are, I think from experience we agree on hoping for the best yet preparing for the worst.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
jar writes: In Chicago '68 it was the police that rioted, just as at the il Donald rallies it has been the Trump supporters who attacked protesters. Yeah, and I made the mistake of assuming everyone knew that, because I knew that.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
anglagard writes: Do you understand now why we find a similarity? Oh, sure, I get what you were saying now, thanks for the explanation. I had interpreted what you said as comparing a Trump denial of the nomination to something Humphrey was denied, not something he denied someone else. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
In Chicago '68 it was the police that rioted, Yeah, and I made the mistake of assuming everyone knew that, because I knew that. I think the distinction is relevant. It wasn't strictly voter ire that led to the riot. A lot has to do with how protests are handled. I think it is also important to note that in the end, Nixon, who was no anti-war candidate, won by a comfortable majority over two other candidates. I'm not sure any democrat could have won, but it is true that the convention riot did not help. Imagine the following scenario. Trump goes into the convention with just short of half of the delegates and does not get the nomination. Trump then elects to run as a third party candidate. In the general election, nobody gets over 50 percent of the electoral vote, but Sanders or Clinton gets the largest percentage. Guess who gets to be president? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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