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Message 556 of 559 (795218)
12-08-2016 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Phat
12-08-2016 7:00 PM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
Phat writes:

When I ask him about some of what we discuss, his response is that the people whom i talk with are not believers.

LOL

And you do not just laugh when he says that?

Sheesh. He just flat admits his position is baseless and you do not challenge it?

Phat writes:

Thus, one major difference I see between you and the others is that you have not accepted the "new religion" that you claim Paul and the redactors teach and have spread.

Thank God!


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Message 557 of 559 (795229)
12-09-2016 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by Phat
12-08-2016 7:00 PM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
Phat writes:

When I ask him about some of what we discuss, his response is that the people whom i talk with are not believers.

You understand that this is tautology? 'You have to be a believer of the things I believe to believe them'. It's the 'no true Scotsman' error. He's just asserting that he knows and others don't.

He's a charlatan. You're twisting yourself into knots trying to explain the inexplicable, simply because what you want to say doesn't make objective sense. As an outsider, it sounds like preachy gobbledegook.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 558 of 559 (795260)
12-09-2016 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by Tangle
12-09-2016 3:20 AM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
How rude! None of you know my Pastor. I assure you he helps people more than most Christians do. He feeds the hungry, shelters,encourages, etc etc...all the works gospel of Matthew 25. He does it for free, too. The man is not paid much except in his secular job. You attack him based only on the idea that he accepts belief over evidence. I too go with belief because i reject the wisdom of this world. You go with evidence because you basically believe in human wisdom more than belief. I have seen enough subjective evidence myself.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Message 559 of 559 (795271)
12-10-2016 3:32 AM
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12-09-2016 6:51 PM


Re: Foreknowledge and Free Will
Phat writes:

None of you know my Pastor. I assure you he helps people more than most Christians do. He feeds the hungry, shelters,encourages, etc etc...all the works gospel of Matthew 25. He does it for free, too. The man is not paid much except in his secular job.


Well good for him. No doubt he's a really nice guy. He's still wrong.
You attack him based only on the idea that he accepts belief over evidence. I too go with belief because i reject the wisdom of this world.

We attack him because he apparently made a really stupid remark.
You go with evidence because you basically believe in human wisdom more than belief. I have seen enough subjective evidence myself.

I go with evidence because it works. Belief is useless as a way of establishing what is correct. For example, you know that Muslims and Jews are incorrect despite their beliefs and because of yours.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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