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Yes I knew I quoted him on some subject or other because his site came up showing quite a bit of information about it.Thanks for the response but of course I still need some examples of his supposed stupidity, and I don't know why you would think "a broad consensus" of opinion that turns up on Google would impress me.I do happen to know that "Media Matters" is definitely not to be trusted, although I have to say I can't remember why. Owned by Soros or something like that I think. I may make an effort to find out more about both sites eventually, but if I have to choose between the two as a likely source of a trustworthy perspective, without knowing much about either, I'll definitely choose Gateway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Media matters is not owned by Soros. Nor is being owned by Soros evidence of perfidy.If I post examples of Hoft's lies and nutty theories and jumping on any rumor without any checking, will you attempt to prove him correct with objective evidence, or will you rail against whatever bogeymen are on your mind?

A summary, with links to examples:
Encyclopedia of American Loons: #769: Jim HoftYes, that is a bare link for potential further reading.For material from a former conservative (actually still is, but not the wing-nut variety), I present to you Charles Johnson and his blog "Little Green Footballs".

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In the United States, LGF is perhaps best known for playing a key role in exposing the fraud of the Killian documents regarding President George W. Bush,[10][11] which preceded the resignation of CBS's Dan Rather.

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Charles was a staunch Republican until he decided "The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff. I won’t be going over the cliff with them."Charles is certainly not a liberal, but he is very down on modern conservatism. And he gives a lot of attention to Jim Hoft and often uses variations of the phrase "Jim Hoft, Stupidest Man on the Internet".Little Green Footballs: Jim Hoftor in a little bit different formlgf: search"DERP Yes, Jim Hoft truly is the Stupidest Man on the Internet. There's really no one else even close in the crowded field of dim-witted right wing derpitude." - Charles JohnsonMooseps: Topics related to the "Killian documents":
Where Was W Waldo?
so Bush isn't a liar?Edited by Minnemooseus, : Added Dan Rather related quote from Wikipedia, and other tweaks.Edited by Minnemooseus, : Screwed up a quote box and didn't bother previewing.Edited by Minnemooseus, : ps links and another format tweak.

I'd suppose I'll either think you made your case or you didn't.As I recall the problem with Media Matters is that it's owned by a full-bore lefty of some sort. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Reading your link has led me to the conclusion that he's taken a strong turn to the left, actually accusing people on the right of the same stuff the left does, basically politically correct lies.

Previously cited, and quoted a little, but here is the entire article (posted 11/30/09): Charles Johnson - Why I Parted Ways With The Right

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1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)

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2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)

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3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)

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4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)

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5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)

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6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)

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7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)

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8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)

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9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)

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10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)

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And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.

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I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

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Yes, "he's taken a strong turn to the left", away from the ultra-right wing wacko fringe. Stated differently, the Republican party's taken a strong turn to the far right, and he was no longer willing to follow.And he does think that Jim Hoft is the dumbest man on the internet.Charles Johnson is still a conservative. It just doesn't look that way because much of his output is critical of the far right lunatic fringe. And Faith, it sure seems that you're part of that lunatic fringe.Moose

Most of his list misrepresents the right. Just the usual lefty list of false PC accusations.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Is this better? I thought you might like to know what the rest of the world thinks about how usable the various news sources are considered to be. And yet InforWars is at the bottom (sensational, click-bait, little fact checking) right (Conservative Utter Garbage
Conspiracy Theories, cherry picking info and making stuff up).Red State, the Daily Caller, Breitbart, The Blaze, not much better.These are all news sources that gas-light you to believing an extreme right wing agenda.Personally I think #FauxNoiseNutwerk should be down a row or down with the Blaze, and that their idea of "fair and balanced is to give equal weight to those to their right as to all those to their left. And MSNBC should be dropped a row or two (too corporatist). My opinion is that all those in the bottom 3 rows are to varying degrees "fake" news, especially when they repeat stories from the lower rows. Horse-pucky. I bet your sources are the ones claiming to being banned and they want you to help them fight back ... I've seen these "reports" -- they are click bait to raise money. All news should be subject to fact checking no matter the program. We don't have journalists anymore, but infotainment pushers.That's why fact checking sites are becoming more important than the news programs. Politifact
FactCheck
Snopes
UrbanLegendFacts don't have bias or an agenda.Enjoy

Yes, that chart is perfect, thanks. You're awfully good at that sort of thing.It's good for comparing how we think about these things at least. I can certainly say that what on the chart is called Mainstream, Minimal Bias, is definitely liberal/leftist from my point of view, none of them only "minimally" biased, though probably some are better than others. I would be hard pressed to distinguish their perspective from the column to the left. I've learned to distrust all of them over the last few decades, though they have all become what I regard as fake news since Trump was elected, or during his campaign for that matter. I think it's absolutely appalling how they treat him.Oh, and your "fact checkers" lean left too; they are certainly not consistently neutral. Depends on the political context of the issue.I'm not sure Infowars deserves to be dismissed as not checking facts. I think it's more likely that they are right about things those to the left of them refuse to consider, and that eventually they will be shown to have been right. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thanks. That's because you are to the extreme far right, the last column. Heck you even invent your own conspiracy theories (like Trump being treated badly -- you don't realize how you are being gas-lighted by him).When you stand in the last column to the right then everything else (including the whole world) is "leftist" in your (imho) under informed opinion.If there is nobody to the right of you Faith, you are at the extreme right edge.Enjoy

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You’re sat on the North Pole Faith, everybody else is South of you - it doesn't matter which direction you look in. Everybody else is a goddamn liberal.

Yeah, but you can see the spin ...

Um, I think it's more likely that leftist thinking has managed to get itself accepted as mainstream over the last few decades. It shouldn't be too hard simply to define a leftist idea as versus a conservative idea and see that they align with my view of the chart better than yours. But it's more than just a difference of political views these days, it's the active smear campaign against Trump that's become the problem. How Trump is treated by the MSM/left is certainly not something I made up, I see the evidence in headlines every time I go online, and I'm just one of a huge crowd that recognizes what the "fake news" sources are doing, that's why so many call them fake news. I'm probably farther right than a lot of conservatives -- which I attribute to my Christian perspective which a lot of conservatives don't share, but nevertheless I'd put the Mainstream/Center no more than one column to the left of me. What may or may not be to the right of me I'd have to sort out idea by idea.

By the way, I recall taking one of those quizzes here a few years ago, or more than one maybe, that places you somewhere in a quadrant on a graph according to your political views, and I always end up very near the center, maybe in a Rightist quadrant but not far into it.