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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
ringo
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Message 68 of 936 (802433)
03-16-2017 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by CRR
03-16-2017 7:31 AM


Re: Very Late Reply
CRR writes:
You're pretty obsessed about a one letter typo.
It was just a random mutation.

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ringo
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Message 89 of 936 (803522)
04-01-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by CRR
04-01-2017 6:42 AM


Re: My definition
CRR writes:
Now I know that some people will object to including abiogenesis in the definition but I think it is an essential part of the thinking of most evolutionary biologists and inseparable from evolution.
That makes no more sense than adding blast furnaces to the definition of "automobile".

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Message 114 of 936 (804592)
04-11-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 11:32 AM


Re: Nature ran a lottery ????
Davidjay writes:
Meanwhile real scientists are working and studying and finding principles and laws and marveling at how all things fit together perfectly and EXACTLY.
Can you name two or three hundred of those "real" scientists who don't accept evolution?

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ringo
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Message 138 of 936 (804711)
04-12-2017 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Davidjay
04-12-2017 12:56 AM


Re: Nature ran a lottery ????
Davidjay writes:
Sure... I can name real Christian Scientists who discovered the laws of our Creator..
First, I asked for two or three hundred. You're short by 189.
Second, I asked for real scientists who don't accept evolution. The first five on your list died before evolution was ever explained so they clearly don't follow. Did anybody on your list actually reject evolution?
You could have just said, no, you can't name real scientists who reject evolution.

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ringo
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Message 159 of 936 (804837)
04-13-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 12:21 AM


Re: Evolutions have discovered no new laws.. NONE
Davidjay writes:
Name any evolutionists that has discovered any law or new law, or anything that has helped mankind.
The proper question is: Name anybody who has discovered any law who rejects evolution.
Davidjay writes:
Mine were great famous Christian Scientists....
None of whom rejected evolution.

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Message 220 of 936 (805089)
04-15-2017 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Faith
04-14-2017 11:00 PM


Faith writes:
Dredge has a different approach to these things than I do but I understand what he's saying and agree with him even if I have my own different angle on it and some terminology needs to be sorted out to show our agreement.
It's like a parakeet fighting with his own reflection in the mirror.

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ringo
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Message 410 of 936 (806046)
04-22-2017 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 408 by CRR
04-22-2017 2:33 AM


Re: Are creationists anti-science?
CRR writes:
There are Young Earth Creationists who are competent in all fields of science including biology and geology.
Name 300.

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ringo
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Message 484 of 936 (806408)
04-25-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Dredge
04-24-2017 10:45 PM


Re: Dobzhansky
Dredge writes:
Nothing in applied biology depends on your useless atheist theology - that all life evolved from a common ancestor - or will ever depend on it.
Why single out "applied" biology? How can you "apply" biology without a solid understanding of the foundations of biology?
What Dobzhansky said is the equivalent of, "Nothing in aviation makes sense except in the light of aerodynamics." You seem to be implying that you can build and fly aircraft without understanding aerodynamics.

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ringo
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Message 509 of 936 (806740)
04-27-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by Dredge
04-27-2017 3:32 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
Dredge writes:
This might come as a shock to you, but a solid understanding of the foundations of biology doesn't require the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor.
The foundations of biology may not "require" that all life evolved from a common ancestor - but the evidence shows that all life DID evolve from a common ancestor. If you're not understanding that part of the foundation, what else are you missing?
Consider the analogy again: If you don't understand that aerodynamics requires air, how can you be trusted to build an aircraft?

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Message 556 of 936 (807225)
05-01-2017 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 544 by CRR
05-01-2017 6:32 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
CRR writes:
Perhaps part of the problem is that there is a difference between the definition word Evolution as used in Biology and the definition of the Theory of Evolution.
Yes, there is a difference between evolution and the theory of evolution.
Evolution is what happens. The theory of evolution is the explanation of how it happens.
If there was another explanation - say special creation - that wouldn't change the fact that it does happen. But of course, special creation doesn't explain anything.

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ringo
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Message 620 of 936 (807630)
05-04-2017 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by Dredge
05-04-2017 6:57 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Dredge writes:
DNA provides the instructions for building biological machines.
How are those "instructions" written on the DNA molecule? What is the ink?

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Message 723 of 936 (811061)
06-04-2017 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 718 by Dredge
06-04-2017 5:36 AM


Dredge writes:
wikipedia writes:
All known forms of life are based on the same fundamental biochemical organisation
... which makes perfect sense if all life was created by the same Creator.
A lazy Creator. And an unimaginative one.

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ringo
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Message 726 of 936 (811144)
06-05-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 724 by NoNukes
06-04-2017 5:17 PM


NoNukes writes:
Regardless of the method or technology involved, life on earth shows a huge amount of variation both in form and in strategies for survival and reproduction.
We're not talking about form or strategies for survival here. We're talking about biochemical organization. Why would a designer use only one possibility? Why use DNA at all? For that matter, why use chemistry at all?
NoNukes writes:
And just what is the level of effort required to create life on an entire planet?
Three sentences:
quote:
Gen. 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
quote:
Gen. 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
quote:
Gen. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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ringo
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Message 739 of 936 (811261)
06-06-2017 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 727 by NoNukes
06-05-2017 3:40 PM


NoNukes writes:
What is unimaginative or lazy about using chemistry or DNA?
There's nothing unimaginative about using it ONCE. What's unimaginative is doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again.
NoNukes writes:
How does your argument compare to the argument that a designer would not develop vision, flight, or echolocation using different methods?
Well, of course real designers DO develop those things using different methods: flight can be lighter-than-air, heavier-than air, fixed-wing, rotary-wing, etc. Echolocation can be by sound, by radio waves, by lasers, etc. Show me a biological zeppelin.
NoNukes writes:
And why couldn't a designer build some basic prototypes and then allow evolution to fill in the rest? Wouldn't that explain some of the similarities we see?
That designer would be a redundancy duct-taped onto an already satisfactory explanation.

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ringo
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Message 740 of 936 (811262)
06-06-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 732 by CRR
06-05-2017 6:17 PM


CRR writes:
It's brilliant design to come up with an information coding system that can be used in all life from amoeba to whale.
So why wouldn't a brilliant designer come up with TWO brilliant designs to do the same thing in totally different ways? Or twenty?

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