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CRR
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Message 526 of 936 (807105)
04-30-2017 10:46 PM


Where are we now?
I've made a summary of all definitions offered so far. For brevity I've edited a few while trying to retain the meaning. If the author thinks I've made a mistake I will revise as necessary. Have I missed any?
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@Percy 2 (and @deerbreh 3)
Darwin's definition:
The change in species over time due to descent with modification and natural selection.
More modern definition:
The change over time of the genetic makeup of species through natural selection operating on accumulated genetic variation and mutations.
@arachnophilia 4
the variation in frequency of heritable features in a population between generations.
@AK-7 5
Changes in the makeup of a population through hereditary attributes which allow that population to survive in a given environment.
@nwr 7
In a biological context - common descent and change over time between generations.
@Minnemooseus 8
Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
@Cal 9
Change in a population over time as the result of differential competitive success among imperfect replicators.
@bkelly 10
When a descendant's inheritable characteristics differ from those of its parent(s). This includes when a trait changes from dominant to recessive or the reverse.
@U can call me Cookie 11
It is change in allele frequencies between successive generations, sometimes leading to phenotypic change. Nb. Natural selection is not the only mechanism (eg. sexual selection, genetic drift also apply).
@New Cat's Eye 12
Biological evolution is a change in an allele frequency of a population.
@Ben! 13
Evolution is change over time due to some interaction.
In biological evolution, the units of analysis is usually a species, with change due to mutation and the interaction of species with environment which must allow them to continue to reproduce (i.e. natural selection)
But not all biological evolution has these units of analysis, and other things that may usefull be called evolution have different units of analysis.
@Lammy 18
Evolution is a drastic physical change in many individuals of a population or species within one or two generations resulting in the birth of a new population or species and the extinction of the parent population or species by some unknown or unidentifiable mechanism.
@EZscience 24
Evolution is simply a character change in a population over time.
*Biological* evolution requires that this change have an underlying, heritable (genetic) basis.
@dwise 58
Basically, biological evolution is the total sum of what happens when populations of living organisms do what living organisms naturally do.
Consume resources to survive long enough to reproduce.
Produce the next generation who are very similar to the previous generation, yet slightly different.
Those who survive long enough to reproduce then generate the next generation who are very similar to them yet slightly different.
Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
@RAZD 67
The Theory of Evolution (ToE), stated in simple terms, is that the mechanism of anagensis, and the mechanism of cladogenesis, are sufficient to explain the diversity of life as we know it, from the fossil record, from the genetic record, from the historic record, and from everyday record of the life we observe in the world all around us.
anagenesis - The process of lineal change within species is sometimes called phyletic speciation
cladogenesis - involves the division of a parent population into two or more reproductively isolated daughter populations
@Dr Adequate 80
Heritable changes in a population.
@CRR 87
Evolution is the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself arose naturally from an inorganic form.
@Davidjay 97
Luck and Chance
@Tangle 101
CHANCE and SELECTION.
@Dredge 119
the theory that complex life as we know it today evolved from less complex life - a single-cell organism, to be exact
@jar 282
Evolution is simply change over time. The Theory of Evolution is the explanation for the reality of change over time seen.
@Pressie 377
After all of this, I gathered that the word evolution means change over time.

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Message 527 of 936 (807113)
04-30-2017 11:32 PM
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04-30-2017 10:46 PM


Re: Where are we now?
It's interesting to note how all the creationists are wrong.

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Message 528 of 936 (807119)
05-01-2017 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 506 by Dr Adequate
04-27-2017 9:43 AM


Re: If Not, What?
The evolution of antibiotic resistance is an example of evolution
This is a worthy example of an evolutionist gratuitously and misleadingly saturating biology with his favourite word from the atheist-theology lexicon. Can anyone guess what that word is? (Hint: Sesame Street's letter of the day starts with "E")
Show an evolutionist a chicken and he sees a feathered dinosaur; show him natural selection and he sees all life evolving from a common ancestor.

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Message 529 of 936 (807121)
05-01-2017 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 507 by Taq
04-27-2017 11:04 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
What quasi-religious attachment?
Please explain why so much emphasis and seeming importance is placed on a theory that has no use in applied science. Why is said useless theory dogmatically preached at every level of education? Why are any academics, intellectuals and scientists who oppose this useless theory subjected to persecution and ridicule? From the perspective of science, the worship of ToE makes no sense; it only makes sense from the perspective of philosophical-naturalism imperialism (to wit: Atheist totalitarianism).
Evolution is used to predict protein function. Evolution can also be used to predict which parts of genomes are functional/
If you bothered to look beyond the myth, you would find that none of the procedures used in applied biology depend on the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor. You have been conditioned to think that said theory is essential - it isn't; you've heard Dobzhansky's Lie so often that you've never thought to question it - mainly because you've got no reason to question it; you're happy to believe it. The only folks who question it are Creationists ... consequently they can see it for the gigantic con-job that it is.

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Message 530 of 936 (807123)
05-01-2017 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 504 by Coyote
04-27-2017 9:27 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
Why are you so afraid of the idea that existing life evolved from a common ancestor?
I am opposed to the theory that all life evolved from a commn ancestor because it 1) is a myth concocted from fake science, 2) it contradicts the Bible, 3) it has hijacked the science of biology and turned it into a propaganda vehicle for atheist theology.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 531 of 936 (807124)
05-01-2017 12:28 AM
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05-01-2017 12:23 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
Please explain why so much emphasis and seeming importance is placed on a theory that has no use in applied science.
The theory of evolution is in fact useful in applied science.
Why are any academics, intellectuals and scientists who oppose this useless theory subjected to persecution and ridicule?
'Cos they're ridiculous? That's usually why people are ridiculed.
From the perspective of science, the worship of ToE makes no sense ...
You have never seen it from the perspective of science. This makes you different from scientists, who think that evolution is a good idea and that creationism is a crock of shit.

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Message 532 of 936 (807125)
05-01-2017 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by jar
04-27-2017 9:38 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
What is not evident is any other explanation.
Except special creation.

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Message 533 of 936 (807126)
05-01-2017 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Dredge
05-01-2017 12:17 AM


Re: If Not, What?
This is a worthy example of an evolutionist gratuitously and misleadingly saturating biology with his favourite word from the atheist-theology lexicon. Can anyone guess what that word is? (Hint: Sesame Street's letter of the day starts with "E")
Translated from Mad Creationist Gibberish into ordinary speech: this is a worthy example of someone fluent in the English language speaking it.
Show an evolutionist a chicken and he sees a feathered dinosaur; show him natural selection and he sees all life evolving from a common ancestor.
What a bizarre insane lie. Whom do you hope to deceive by telling it?

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Message 534 of 936 (807127)
05-01-2017 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 510 by Taq
04-27-2017 3:14 PM


Re: If Not, What?
You don't think understanding the history of biological species is useful in and of itself?
Please be advised that coming up with stories about how life was invented is nothing more than an historical curiosity. It is irrelevant to applied biology.
To drive a car, or to fix or improve a car, I don't need to know the story of how cars came to be invented or how cars evolved from simpler machines to what they are now. All I need is what is there now and how it works.
Fossils are VERY useful for figuring out why we see the species we do see
In other words, fossils are useful for embellishing a useless historical curiosity/theory that cannot be verified as fact. Big deal. Empty beer bottles are more useful than fossils.

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Message 535 of 936 (807128)
05-01-2017 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 515 by Coyote
04-27-2017 9:40 PM


Re: Dobzhansky
Where did you get the nonsensicsl idea that something requires experiment in order to be science?
From the dictionary. But onsecond thoughts, science is too broad a term to be confined to observation and experiment. Consider forensic science, for example, where conclusions can be drawn from observations, after the fact.
All science needs is observations, and from those observations scientists can devise hypotheses and test them against future observations.
Sounds like a form of experiment to me.

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Message 536 of 936 (807129)
05-01-2017 12:46 AM
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05-01-2017 12:36 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
From the dictionary.
Which you misunderstood.
But on second thoughts, science is too broad a term to be confined to observation and experiment. Consider forensic science, for example, where conclusions can be drawn from observations, after the fact.
Yes! Hooray! Nunc dimittis!
Sounds like a form of experiment to me.
That would be an exceptionally broad use of the word "experiment". It would, for example cover the following scenario: I hear what sounds like rain; I form the hypothesis that it is raining; I test my hypothesis by looking out of the window.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 537 of 936 (807130)
05-01-2017 12:50 AM
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05-01-2017 12:28 AM


Re: Dobzhansky
The theory of evolution is in fact useful in applied science.
Agreed - very useful. But I'm not referring to ToE; I'm referring to the dogmatic preaching of the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor.

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Message 538 of 936 (807131)
05-01-2017 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by New Cat's Eye
04-27-2017 9:36 PM


Re: Dobzhansky
The theory of evolution can be used in applied biology.
Yes, of course, butthe theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor has no use in applied biology.
Okay, you're talking about "all life evolved from a common ancestor", that is not the theory of evolution.
Granted, but ToE is used to conclude that all life evolved from a common ancestor. The two theories have virtually become synonymous; the mentality is, if ToE is true, then so is the theory all life evolved from a common ancestor - which is what Dobzhansky was on about.

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Message 539 of 936 (807132)
05-01-2017 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 527 by Dr Adequate
04-30-2017 11:32 PM


Re: Where are we now?
It's interesting to note how all the creationists are wrong.
Well, my definition is wrong and I have to admit to another mistake: I was under the impression that ToE included the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor, but half an hour ago I discovered that I was wrong. Oh dear ...

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Message 540 of 936 (807138)
05-01-2017 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 534 by Dredge
05-01-2017 12:34 AM


Useful knowledge!
Dredge writes:
Please be advised that coming up with stories about how life was invented is nothing more than an historical curiosity. It is irrelevant to applied biology.
To drive a car, or to fix or improve a car, I don't need to know the story of how cars came to be invented or how cars evolved from simpler machines to what they are now. All I need is what is there now and how it works.
Can't you think of any possible way that the provenance of a car could be of use to a mechanic?
Let's give ourselves a practical medical problem. We have a sick llama on our hands, but no vet who has experience with the species. Of the vets available, three are specialists in cows and pigs, one in sheep, one is from South America and has experience with sloths and opossums, and one has worked in the Middle East with camels.
I'm the common descent "evolutionist". I have my tree of life before me. I know which one to call. A creationist does not!
Dredge writes:
In other words, fossils are useful for embellishing a useless historical curiosity/theory that cannot be verified as fact.
Would you like to talk us through what you think is insufficient about the current molecular evidence for us to consider all known life forms as having common ancestry to be a fact? New thread?
Big deal. Empty beer bottles are more useful than fossils.
Expensive fossils
Edited by bluegenes, : grammar

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