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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Two points:
1) You are comparing small mostly homogeneous cultures with a big nation of many different parts. They never had the problems we have. 2) This thread is not about economic policies, it's mostly about cultural influences. In fact I think I'm going to change the title to make that clear. I do still invite discussion of classical Marxism, but not so much as a debate, more as information about where it all started. Caffeine has done some of that. I can't get into economic debates here but I don't have a problem with others presenting information on the level of theory for the sake of historical reference if nothing else. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Maybe I shouldn't have invited any discussion of classical economic Marxism at all. When I wrote the OP I wasn't really sure how broad I wanted to make the topic. I did try to emphasize that my own participation would be limited to Cultural Marxism but perhaps all that did was confuse things. So, sorry about that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, whatever the cause, you've bought the package whole. It's the theory itself that causes the animosity you think it merely analyzes. I believe there's enough evidence just on this thread to show how wrong you are, but I gather nothing is going to change your mind. So you've made yourself clear, thanks for your input.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Every now and then I like to post this classical discussion of Political Correctness by Bill Lind, one of the first clear identifications of the destructive work of the Frankfurt School and its enduring legacy in our time:
If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious. First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas, where the student or faculty member who dares to cross any of the lines set up by the gender feminist or the homosexual-rights activists, or the local black or Hispanic group, or any of the other sainted victims groups that PC revolves around, quickly find themselves in judicial trouble. Within the small legal system of the college, they face formal charges — some star-chamber proceeding — and punishment. That is a little look into the future that Political Correctness intends for the nation as a whole. Indeed, all ideologies are totalitarian because the essence of an ideology (I would note that conservatism correctly understood is not an ideology) is to take some philosophy and say on the basis of this philosophy certain things must be true — such as the whole of the history of our culture is the history of the oppression of women. Since reality contradicts that, reality must be forbidden. It must become forbidden to acknowledge the reality of our history. People must be forced to live a lie, and since people are naturally reluctant to live a lie, they naturally use their ears and eyes to look out and say, Wait a minute. This isn’t true. I can see it isn’t true, the power of the state must be put behind the demand to live a lie. That is why ideology invariably creates a totalitarian state. Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing. Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good — feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be victims, and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism. Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies don’t get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism. And finally, both have a method of analysis that automatically gives the answers they want. For the classical Marxist, it’s Marxist economics. For the cultural Marxist, it’s deconstruction. Deconstruction essentially takes any text, removes all meaning from it and re-inserts any meaning desired. So we find, for example, that all of Shakespeare is about the suppression of women, or the Bible is really about race and gender. All of these texts simply become grist for the mill, which proves that all history is about which groups have power over which other groups. So the parallels are very evident between the classical Marxism that we’re familiar with in the old Soviet Union and the cultural Marxism that we see today as Political Correctness. And here's an article showing how PC functions in our day to destroy culture, how Europe is being destroyed because of it. Of course I'm sure there are many here who would be happy to see Europe destroyed and replaced by the far more deserving "brown people" of Islam. After all Europe is basically nothing but oppressive white men and is formerly nothing but oppressive Christianity. Away with it and so much the better. Do away with the men and rape the women. Then the Left will be happy. Lots of people just LOVE Political Correctness of course, and think it's a good thing, it's necessary to kill the former racist world and all the other cultural ills of society as identified by Critical Theory. No matter that it's a false theory, they intend to believe it anyway. This attack on individual human beings is unprecedented. It will either bring down all culture and lead us into the war to end all wars, or maybe God will have mercy on us and open some eyes to the truth before it's too late.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not a joke, just didn't get it said as well as I should have. I certainly don't think they make a legitimate case which is what would make it a joke, they just teach it and preach it to their captive audience until it's accepted as truth.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
To restate what Classical Marxism and Cultural Marxism have in common, how the one derives from the other, as was spelled out in the essay on Political Correctness above:
If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious. First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas.... Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing. Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good — feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals.... Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated.... It's totalitarian, it defines everything for us, we have no need to think, in fact thinking risks running afoul of the party line. They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Europe is completely controlled by PC, that's why they're getting destroyed by "immigrants," the Marxist Victim / Oppressed Group du jour. So tenderly defended by the EvC crowd too, we can all just lie down and let Islam behead us or subjugate us or whatever they want to do because they are the designated Oppressed Group du jour.
Or we should let the entire country of Mexico take us over. Why not, they're "brown people," who are defined by Marxism as Oppressed. they can oppress us all they want, we don't count. Marxism pits groups against each other, the designated oppressed can do whatever they want to the "oppressor," it's all a matter of definitions,k hang reality. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're kidding. I'm the Oppressor according to Marxism. I'm white, I'm a Christian and I'm an American. Grade A Oppressor, nothing worse than my kind.
My father was an immigrant. A LEGAL immigrant. But Marxism favors ILLEGAL immigrants. Only a Marxist would call an illegal immigrant an "immigrant."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You live in la la land for sure. Anybody paying any attention at all to discussions at EvC knows that I get slapped down frequently with Marxist accusations. I'm tough enough to bounce back but a lot of people aren't. The intimidation factor of PC is enormous. Europe is being killed by it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where have I even mentioned myself? What's with you people? I'm talking about influences that have as their aim to suppress dissidence, and they succeed in many cases. Throwing them at me is intended to hurt at least, so many daggers in the flesh. Lots of people would go away under such attacks. It's all a way to put people down and it does work to suppress people in many cases. As in Europe where few want to risk saying anything against their "immigrants" and "refugees." I'm persona non grata for my opinions here. I just don't give in as some would.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well there you have it, pure Marxist evil presented as good.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Seems to me I've seen a lot of European leaders in particular but some ordinary Europeans as well, refusing to say anything at all against the Muslims, even going out of their way to avoid identifying them, hiding their great preponderance of crimes under general statistics for instance.
But since you show that there is some pretty loud complaining, why haven't they figured out how to throw the bums out? You probably didn't watch the video in Message 185 - ? - but there's a Muslim there shown saying how in twenty years the UK will be Pakistan. Is that OK by you? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's evidence of some body of Muslim opinion that the UK should be Muslim and will be Muslim the way things are going. And the way things ARE going he could be right since the PC mentality of the UK doesn't want to do anything about it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good grief. I said what the Muslim guy's opinion obviously means and you go off into la la land again with some weird accusation of me "palming the pea?" What? First you say the guy's remark means nothing, then I show how that's not true, he obviously represents some measure of opinion that's out there, and he could be right, the UK is on its way to becoming Pakistani just as he predicts. Cuz as he said, they are gonna keep on coming.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No Faith, I said the guys remarks only mean that some person is alleged to have made that remark. Which reduces it to meaninglessness. Duh.
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