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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
The judgement of fitness is subjective.
The fact that there is a fittest human is objective. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Then tell us how you determine that objectively.
The fact that there is a fittest human is objective.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Via subjective judgement.
How else can one differentiate between contestants? RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
If the method is subjective, the conclusion is subjective.
Via subjective judgement. Greatest I am writes:
Objectively you can't, which is what I've been saying all along.
How else can one differentiate between contestants?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Seems we agree on your last.
Not on your first in all cases. The needs or good of the many outweigh the needs or good of the few must be judged subjectively but I think, since the conclusion is always for it. that might just be the only objective moral tenet I can think of. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
There is nothing more subjective than "the needs of the many".
The needs or good of the many outweigh the needs or good of the few must be judged subjectively but I think, since the conclusion is always for it. that might just be the only objective moral tenet I can think of.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
That is what I just said, yes.
RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
So your whole premise about "fitness" is dead.
That is what I just said, yes.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Eh, not that I can see.
How did you get to that from where we were? Show the logic trail. Perhaps I missed something. RegardsDL
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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The revolting middles class, huh
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 377 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
The judgement of fitness is subjective.
An individual is either fit or they are not. They either survive long enough to reproduce or they do not. There is nothing subjective about it and there isn't really a gradient to it. The fact that there is a fittest human is objective. Society is that part of our environment that we create over time and manipulate in order to improve everyone's odds of being fit. The fact that there are members of society who are wealthier than others might show that they have already benefited from what society provides. The mechanism requires that they put back into it and perhaps the real drain on society comes from those that refuse to do so.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You admitted it was all subjective. QED. Show the logic trail. Now YOU show the logic that bridges from subjective opinions to objective conclusions. Show us how you get reliable conclusions from unfounded premises.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ProtoTypical
"An individual is either fit or they are not. They either survive long enough to reproduce or they do not. There is nothing subjective about it and there isn't really a gradient to it." If alive, all have a level of fitness. I do not think we can say that someone has no level of fitness when they are fit enough to survive. Reproduction is important to the whole species of course but in our human one, individual reproduction is not paramount or required by our fittest metrics, which is usually determined by other factors such as wealth, which a fittest could pass on to his family so as to increase their fitness and allow them to reproduce if they are fit in that area. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Ringo
What unfounded premise? RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
The premise that you can tell who is "fit" and who is not. You admitted that the judgement was subjective; therefore the premise is unfounded.
What unfounded premise?
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