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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
"RAZD" writes:
Of course gradualism is fundamental to ToE - does a fish grow a foot overnight? "Dredge" writes: The fossil record reveals the miserable failure of Darwism's most fundamental prediction - gradualism. ... Is false: (a) it is not "fundamental" and (b) Darwin also discussed periods of rapid change between periods of little change. Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
"DrAdequate" writes:
Is that good or bad?
I mean that you are frequently prone to mendacity, that you have a persistent tendency to untruthfulness, that it is your habit and custom to perpetrate falsehoods, and that you have often been known to fib. Besides that, you didn't answer my question.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism.
Do you really think you can defeat the theory of evolution with nonsense such as that? I mean, really?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
does a fish grow a foot overnight? You have a real problem with English meanings. Gradualism in this context does not mean what you think.
gradualism:
quote: Growing a foot overnight would be saltation. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Of course gradualism is fundamental to ToE - does a fish grow a foot overnight? ROFLOL ... do you mean growing 12 inches or growing a new appendage? Individual growth rates have absolutely nothing to do with rates of population evolution and nothing to do with ToE. Growing a new appendage would be the "hopeful monster" of creationist imaginary and false understanding of evolution.
Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism. So the slow rate of gradualism during periods of relative stassis in a population, and the higher rate of gradualism during periods if punctuation in a population ... are still gradualism. Punk-eek is not the "hopeful monster" of fevered creationist imagination. This is actually what Dawkin's argued in counter to Gould's punk-eek claim. Glad you sorted that out. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : clrtyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
See "mutation". But it does take a while for the feet to spread out into a population.
- does a fish grow a foot overnight?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Dredge writes: Of course gradualism is fundamental to ToE - does a fish grow a foot overnight?Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism. Does a fish species undergo rapid speciation events causing more rapid changes in phenotype? Yep. Does that falsify the theory of evolution? Nope. Both punctuated equilibria and gradualism fit just fine in the theory of evolution.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Of course gradualism is fundamental to ToE - does a fish grow a foot overnight? Different rates of gradualism is still gradualism. So in the sense in which you now mean gradualism, Darwin was absolutely right, Gould too is a gradualist, and the fossil record supports gradualism?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Is that good or bad? Lying is bad, Dredge.
Besides that, you didn't answer my question. Yes I did, Dredge. You asked what I meant. I told you.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
The geological and fossil record is not evidence of "evolution" but of successive divine creations that existed and were destroyed before the "six days" of creation described in Genesis. This creation we live in now will in turn be replaced by another creation - "a new heaven and a new earth" mentioned in Revelation 21.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... but of successive failed divine creations that existed and were destroyed ... fixed it for you
... This creation we live in now will in turn be replaced ... another failure how many times before they get it right or they get fired for incompetence? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well, that's a peculiar daydream, Dredge. Do you have any evidence for it? Or any conceivable explanation for God's motivations in behaving in such a way?
Talk us through this. Take the evolution of birds, for example. According to your notions, God kept creating one lot of birds, destroying them, and then replacing them with slightly less basal-dinosaur-y birds, yes? And then did that again and again, right? When you talk about "successive creations" does that mean that every time he destroyed a batch of birds he also destroyed all the other species alive at that time, only to carefully put them back along with the new model birds? Either way, why did he do all this? Presumably an omnipotent being knew what he was aiming for, why not just make modern birds to start with? The sole effect of his approach seems to be that he successfully fooled scientists into thinking that evolution had taken place. But why would he want to? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4452 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Now you are just yanking our chain. That is up into a Trumpian realm of absurdity.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: The geological and fossil record is not evidence of "evolution" but of successive divine creations that existed and were destroyed before the "six days" of creation described in Genesis. This creation we live in now will in turn be replaced by another creation - "a new heaven and a new earth" mentioned in Revelation 21. What a truly pathetic little deity you try to sell; utterly incompetent and not even able to do anything successfully. Why would anyone even laugh at a God that is that pathetic and picayune? The best is to pity your God and you for buying such a worthless product. Plus it's obvious you do not even believe in the Bible but rather like all Biblical Christians simply ignore what is written in the Bible stories. Or maybe you are like most Bible Christians that have simply never honestly read the Bible?
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