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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There was no tower of Babel. It's a myth. It is fictional. There were people writing in China, India, Mesopotamia, and Egypt before the time when the story of the biblical flood is supposed to have happened. They kept on writing right through the biblical flood and never bothered to mention it. I think they all have Flood stories though, don't they? The real problem is just that the dating is wrong: they did all their writing after the Flood.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The Egyptians didn't have a flood-everything story.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I think they all have Flood stories though, don't they? Do they? Can you show them to us?
The real problem is just that the dating is wrong: they did all their writing after the Flood. The actual evidence shows there was never a global flood anytime when humans existed. The whole purpose of this thread is presenting evidence for dating methods. What dating methods do you use?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
My guess as to when the flood was is based on many facets of science and the bible and history. In other words it is made up and could not be reproduced by anyone else (a key element of actual science processes).
Measuring a year in the far past on earth by this current nature is nothing more than a statement of faith. Except that it is independently reproducible by others and that it cross-references with other systems. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Missing rings do occur in trees grown in this nature. To assume it was also true in the past nature is nothing more than blind faith in a same state past. Sadly -- for you -- it can be documented by comparing two independent dendrochronologies. This was done with the Bristlecone pines, and two missing rings were documented. From EvC Forum: The Age of the Earth (version 3 no 1 part 1)
Accuracy of tree ring dating of Bristlecone Pine for calibration of the radiocarbon time scale(3)
quote: The time scale used here is the same "extended scale," where 8000 equals 1 BCE, so 8001-5859 = 2142 BCE and 8001 - 5330 = 2671 BCE. The "M" designates the Master chronology above. Again this thread is about correlations ... and if you actually read it you would have a better idea of the kinds and depth of the evidence that puts your claims to shame. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
All correlations rest on the same baseless belief.
Missing rings cannot be documented past 4500 years. You seek to invoke a belief that because today there are missing rings, that this has to apply to an unknown nature also in the past. Religion.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No year 5000 years ago is independently producible.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Today there are missing rings because of rot. Not in the former nature times though. You just believe there must have been for no reason.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Looking at the times given in Gen for Noah in the flood, and looking at Revelation we do see a 360 day year actually.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Your dates for civilizations are all based on the same belief. You thought belief was science?
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Yes we see a lot of things in this nature. You see squat in the former nature, but simply believe it was the same.
Religion.
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creation Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No. It would mean that something changed that affected how long a day was. Could a changed distance from earth to sun do it?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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No. It would mean that something changed that affected how long a day was. Could a changed distance from earth to sun do it? Oh, do you have any evidence of that? Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Please do present your evidence. Oh!!! No evidence? Gee!!!! Why are we not surprised in the least? What a bunch of fucking morons you all are!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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All correlations rest on the same baseless belief. Repeating a previously addressed assertion based on your belief alone, is not a refutation of the evidence presented, or the argument against it, rather it is just stubborn denial by someone who cannot accept facts.
Missing rings cannot be documented past 4500 years. ... But that would obviously be your magical belief years and not the real actual scientific years:
creation writes: Message 816 You see, I place the flood at 70,000,000 years ago or so, in science years. In actual real years it was 4500. You just have it backwards. Let me correct that for you:
creation: You see, I place the flood at 70,000,000 real actual years ago or so, in science years. In There, much better, yes?
... You seek to invoke a belief that because today there are missing rings, that this has to apply to an unknown nature also in the past. Talk about invoking a belief ... this is just more of the fantasy that you (and you alone) have created to avoid the cognitive dissonance caused by the real actual evidence of reality. Again, with no evidence of this fantasy concoction having any basis in reality, it can safely be ignored by science. Enjoy
Message 832: No year 5000 years ago is independently producible. As this would be your belief years and not real actual scientific years, it too is a meaningless statement
Message 833: Today there are missing rings because of rot. Not in the former nature times though. You just believe there must have been for no reason. And again, as this is based solely on your personal delusion, it is another meaningless assertion. Enjoy
Message 834 to dwise1: Looking at the times given in Gen for Noah in the flood, and looking at Revelation we do see a 360 day year actually. Based on 12 lunar months of 30 days each. A calendar that needed frequent correction to match the solar year.
quote: So again you make a meaningless assertion that doesn't match reality. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : adding responses to other postsby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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Not only are the dating of the writings are different, the evidence for the various flood that they relate are of different time frames. In other words, there were different floods, for which there are pieces of actual physical evidence for.
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