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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 65 of 145 (85709)
02-12-2004 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by kendemyer
02-11-2004 11:42 PM


Re: jonah and whale
kendemyer writes:
Now according to the game "Trivial pursuit" a huge percentage of animals have gone extinct. Why is this important to the JOnah debate?
If I'm reading the topic correctly, the proposition being debated is: "Jonah and the whale - It happened!" So far you've managed to demonstrate only that, according to some, it 'could' have happened, particularly given that 'whale' didn't necessarily mean whale and 'belly' didn't necessarily mean belly.
The obvious question is: So what? The 'possible' forms a near unbounded class of mundane and fantastic. It includes Unicorns, Alien abduction, and the ever-lovable Yeti.
So let us accept, for the purpose of debate, that the Jonah story is every bit as theoretically possible as is the proposition that Unicorn poop clears warts. Does this, in any way, serve as affirmative evidence for the proposition: "Jonah and the whale - It happened!"? Not in the least. And yet, somewhat pathetically, it's all you have. Please let us know when you have something of worth.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 71 of 145 (85921)
02-12-2004 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by kendemyer
02-12-2004 8:12 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I did offer some inductive proof that it did happen and ...
Rubbish. You've offered nothing but sophistry. What, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?

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Message 74 of 145 (86004)
02-13-2004 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by kendemyer
02-12-2004 10:39 PM


Cowardly Evasion
Your complaint would be far more convincing if ...
I made no complaint. I made an observation: one obvious to anyone following this thread, and one which you obviously hope to evade. Again, what, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?

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Message 77 of 145 (86761)
02-16-2004 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 3:34 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I did some more science and historical research.
Again, what, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 79 of 145 (86780)
02-16-2004 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 7:48 PM


Re: jonah and whale
I have no desire to wrangle with you.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Your evasions are getting tiresome. What, specifically, are you seeking to pawn off as "inductive proof"?
Sincerely,
No, cowardly.

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Message 81 of 145 (86805)
02-16-2004 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by kendemyer
02-16-2004 9:43 PM


Re: jonah and essay
Do you have an inductive proof or don't you?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 84 of 145 (87140)
02-17-2004 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by kendemyer
02-17-2004 4:10 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Speaking of time honored traditions, please supply the "inductive proof" you claim to possess.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 88 of 145 (87393)
02-18-2004 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by kendemyer
02-18-2004 4:48 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Lastly, if ConsequentialAtheist has a problem with my essay he should be more specific. Asking me to regurgitate the whole essay because he asserts there is no real evidence is unreasonable and a pointless request.
I have a problem with intellectual cowards. What is your inductive proof?
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Message 90 of 145 (87398)
02-18-2004 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by kendemyer
02-18-2004 10:18 PM


Re: jonah and whale
What is your inductive proof?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 94 of 145 (87834)
02-20-2004 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by truthlover
02-20-2004 4:16 PM


Re: jonah and whale
One, Kendemeyer is not being an intellectual coward, CA. He genuinely believes he has supplied the proof you want.
Then it should be trivially easy for Kendemeyer or you, his perceptive lawyer, to outline his inductive proof of the historical accuracy of the Jonah narrative.
For Kendemeyer, should he ever return, and Brian, I think the fact that Kendemeyer never reacted to my summation of his argument ("if it's scientifically possible, and the Bible said it, then it happened") is proof enough that I summed his argument up.
You apparently see proof everywhere.
In a bizarre maneuver, he went back and completely changed his OP, but the point of the OP is still exactly the same: "scientifically, it's not impossible."
And his inductive proof?
You guys are asking for proof it happened, and he considers "it's scientifically possible" proof that it happened.
And what do you think? Do you see any basis whatsoever to accept such silliness as inductive proof?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 96 of 145 (87894)
02-21-2004 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by truthlover
02-21-2004 12:43 AM


Re: jonah and whale
he's been asked that directly by Moose and Brian several times, and it never clicked.
Perhaps he left because it did.

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Message 98 of 145 (87910)
02-21-2004 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by kendemyer
02-21-2004 4:03 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Therefore?

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 102 of 145 (87951)
02-22-2004 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by kendemyer
02-21-2004 4:03 PM


D-
I did quite a bit of additional historical and archeological research in regards to the Book of Jonah.
Absolute rubbish: you demonstrate that you haven't a clue what "historical and archeological research" is all about.
Accoding to a website whose information I confirmed through several reference and website sources the following is true: ...
You confirmed? How? Specifically:
  • What were these "several reference and website sources"?
  • What are your credentials for evaluating such sources?
  • What is your reason for concealing them?
  • What is Al Maxey?
  • What are his credentials in the field of archaeology and history?
  • What is Homer Hailey, quoted by Brother Maxey?
  • What are his credentials in the field of archaeology and history?
  • What is Maxey's evidence for "a religious awakening"?
  • What is his basis for saying "This may have been the result of Jonah's preaching"?
  • What is your reason for rejecting that 'it may not have been the result of Jonah'?
  • What is his basis for saying "Through the preaching of Jonah ... the city was spared at this time."?
  • What does any of this prove about "Jonah and the Whale"?
This is very much like presenting a jumble of folklore, quack science, and weather reports on tornadic activity in Kansas, and then pretending that you've proven the historicity of the Munchkins.
Jews at the time of Jesus viewed Jonah as history.
So what? People back then, much like some fringe fruitloops today, believed all types of absurdities. You are living proof of that capacity (which, by the way, is the only probative evidence you've offered so far).
Based on DSS evidence, the Book of Enoch was quite popular. I'm more than willing to stipulate that the two books are equally accurate. What about you?
kendemyar, you have, in fact, offered not one piece of probative evidence supporting your position. It is difficult to determine whether you are too arrogant, too deluded, or too young to recognize this, but your effort thus far barely achieves the level of a very, very bad Junior High School paper.
Where is the inductive proof of Jonah and the Whale?
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 107 of 145 (88029)
02-22-2004 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by kendemyer
02-22-2004 5:27 PM


Re: jonah and whale
Here is a copyrighted academic paper that I felt was well done.
Reading you has many of the tiresome qualities of seeing a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber". Specifically:
  • a copyright says absolutely nothing about the quality of a piece of work,
  • there is zero indication that this is an academic paper
  • there is certainly no indication that it is a peer reviewed offering in the field of history and/or archaeology
  • there is, likewise, no indication that Nate Wilson has any credentials in these fields, or that his speculations have any worth whatsoever
  • there is less reason to believe that what you feel about fringe apologetics merit consideration
  • finally, there is absolutely nothing in the paper that serves as evidence for "Jonah and the whale"
You are making a fool of yourself.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 109 of 145 (88043)
02-22-2004 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by kendemyer
02-22-2004 8:14 PM


Re: jonah and whale
On page 8 of the cited work the author says that his work is part of a project that is an assignment for an academic effort in Hebrew exegesis (I am paraphrasing).
Yes, you are. What it says, specifically, is: "This project is an assignment for a seminary course in Hebrew Exegesis". Your point?
I see no reason to make an effort to address your future posts ...
Predictable.

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