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Author | Topic: So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck) | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Personally, Im guessing that the Reverend had some unresolved issues in his past and was using the time that his wife was away to "play" and act out what must have been a traumatic experience of his youth. Why?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex. [[Cite needed]
The Reverend was probably raped as a youngster...probably by a man. [[Cite needed]
yet maintain that he was likely molested as a youth in order to even develop such weird fetishes. [[Cite needed] What's that? You don't have any? You're just spouting the same ignorant, unproven bullshit that's been popular among fundies for years?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Is it so wrong to assume that people can and do have baggage from their past that influences their present behavior? Of course not. But that's not what you're doing. What you are doing is assuming that other people's sexual practices are pathological and caused by abuse. That's not only not true, it's an actively harmful belief. It's because of your belief, and people like you esposing them, that this man is dead. If we lived in a society that didn't feel the need to condemn other people's kinks as pathological or shameful, people like this man would have been able to enjoy himself in a safe, informed manner and most likely never got hurt. Your attitude is posionous, untrue and damaging to the people around you.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
You realise that many heterosexual men enjoy having things put up their bottoms, right?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Yes, but if we lived in a society where everyones personal business was up to them alone, we would be unable to determine any moral guidelines for our kids to follow...telling them that their conscience should be their guide. We'd live in a society where you don't persecute people for doing things that they enjoy and harm no-one else. What an terrible thing that would be.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Brenna, the fact that the rates are cross-culturally similar suggests a genetic cause. Are rates of homosexual behaviour really similar cross-culturally? Do Sparta, Fuedal Japan and Rome really have similar levels of male-male sexual behaviour to post-war Britain? I find I very unlikely. Do you have data?
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
if we trust the last source, i think it is quite safe to say that 5% of so called straight men have raped a child. Sexual abuse != rape.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
do you dispute this? cause that's cute. Hell, yeah, I dispute it. Because by your own links the number one group of "sexual abuse" is 12-16 year old boys groping 12-16 year old girls. Now, that's bad, but it isn't equivalent to the priest bum-raping the 8-year old choir boy.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Whether you want to do the research depends on how strongly you feel the need to argue your point. I'm of the view that homosexual behaviour varies wildly by culture; I take as evidence the reports I've read of various cultures, from the homo-normative Spartan lifestyle to the radically anti-homosexual views of post-war Britain that lead to Turing's suicide. If you have data that contradicts this, I'd love to read it.
Homosexuality definetly has a genetic element - as does, pretty much, everything else - but I find it extremely doubtful it's as clearcut as XY/XX male/female. I also think modern notions of homo/hetro sexuality are fitting more complicated issues into modern pidgeon holes.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
it may not be "intercourse" but sexual violation is sexual violation. i promise you. Bullshit. I've been groped before. It's not pleasant but the idea that I could stand next to my friends who has been raped and go "I've been through exactly what you have" is horseshit of the highest order.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
I would ask you for your response to:
Effect of anoreceptive intercourse on anorectal function AJ Miles, TG Allen-Mersh and C Wastell, Department of Surgery, Westminster Hospital, London; in Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine Vol 86, Issue 3 144-147; 1993
link Because, as I understand, the medical consensus is that Anal Sex is more risky than Vaginal Sex for both partners - although the risks can be largely alleviated by care and consideration.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Do wild animals experience sex abuse? (Hint: the answer is no.) Gang rape has been observed in Dolphins and Chimpanzees, as in the female has been left injured or dead.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
You realise that many heterosexual men enjoy having things put up their bottoms, right? Quoted because I think it bares repeating. We've gone off on a whole homosexuality tagent when there is no evidence that our hypocritical reverent was gay. From the evidence he just liked (extreme) bondage and having things up his bum.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
having been groped and raped, i no longer see the difference between the two. I'm sorry to hear that. But I don't think your view generalises.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Did the chimps go lesbo? Huh?
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