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Author Topic:   So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck)
Dr Jack
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Message 8 of 221 (427650)
10-12-2007 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
10-12-2007 10:44 AM


Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
Personally, Im guessing that the Reverend had some unresolved issues in his past and was using the time that his wife was away to "play" and act out what must have been a traumatic experience of his youth.
Why?

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Message 16 of 221 (427663)
10-12-2007 11:13 AM
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10-12-2007 11:02 AM


Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
Its not normal to want to indulge in anal sex.
[[Cite needed]
The Reverend was probably raped as a youngster...probably by a man.
[[Cite needed]
yet maintain that he was likely molested as a youth in order to even develop such weird fetishes.
[[Cite needed]
What's that? You don't have any? You're just spouting the same ignorant, unproven bullshit that's been popular among fundies for years?

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Message 22 of 221 (427679)
10-12-2007 11:42 AM
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10-12-2007 11:22 AM


Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
Is it so wrong to assume that people can and do have baggage from their past that influences their present behavior?
Of course not. But that's not what you're doing. What you are doing is assuming that other people's sexual practices are pathological and caused by abuse. That's not only not true, it's an actively harmful belief.
It's because of your belief, and people like you esposing them, that this man is dead.
If we lived in a society that didn't feel the need to condemn other people's kinks as pathological or shameful, people like this man would have been able to enjoy himself in a safe, informed manner and most likely never got hurt.
Your attitude is posionous, untrue and damaging to the people around you.

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Message 30 of 221 (427697)
10-12-2007 12:39 PM
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10-12-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Anal sex
You realise that many heterosexual men enjoy having things put up their bottoms, right?

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Message 32 of 221 (427699)
10-12-2007 12:43 PM
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10-12-2007 12:25 PM


Re: Conservative Blogs tell a different story
Yes, but if we lived in a society where everyones personal business was up to them alone, we would be unable to determine any moral guidelines for our kids to follow...telling them that their conscience should be their guide.
We'd live in a society where you don't persecute people for doing things that they enjoy and harm no-one else. What an terrible thing that would be.

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Message 67 of 221 (427851)
10-13-2007 6:36 AM
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10-12-2007 3:46 PM


Re: Cross cultural causes
Brenna, the fact that the rates are cross-culturally similar suggests a genetic cause.
Are rates of homosexual behaviour really similar cross-culturally? Do Sparta, Fuedal Japan and Rome really have similar levels of male-male sexual behaviour to post-war Britain? I find I very unlikely. Do you have data?

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Message 68 of 221 (427853)
10-13-2007 6:48 AM
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10-12-2007 12:42 PM


Re: Anal sex
if we trust the last source, i think it is quite safe to say that 5% of so called straight men have raped a child.
Sexual abuse != rape.

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Message 120 of 221 (428109)
10-14-2007 7:25 PM
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10-13-2007 9:52 AM


Re: Anal sex
do you dispute this? cause that's cute.
Hell, yeah, I dispute it. Because by your own links the number one group of "sexual abuse" is 12-16 year old boys groping 12-16 year old girls. Now, that's bad, but it isn't equivalent to the priest bum-raping the 8-year old choir boy.

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Message 121 of 221 (428110)
10-14-2007 7:32 PM
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10-13-2007 1:51 PM


Re: Cross cultural causes
Whether you want to do the research depends on how strongly you feel the need to argue your point. I'm of the view that homosexual behaviour varies wildly by culture; I take as evidence the reports I've read of various cultures, from the homo-normative Spartan lifestyle to the radically anti-homosexual views of post-war Britain that lead to Turing's suicide. If you have data that contradicts this, I'd love to read it.
Homosexuality definetly has a genetic element - as does, pretty much, everything else - but I find it extremely doubtful it's as clearcut as XY/XX male/female. I also think modern notions of homo/hetro sexuality are fitting more complicated issues into modern pidgeon holes.

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Message 122 of 221 (428111)
10-14-2007 7:34 PM
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10-13-2007 10:17 PM


Re: Sex abuse v. rape
it may not be "intercourse" but sexual violation is sexual violation. i promise you.
Bullshit. I've been groped before. It's not pleasant but the idea that I could stand next to my friends who has been raped and go "I've been through exactly what you have" is horseshit of the highest order.

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Message 124 of 221 (428113)
10-14-2007 7:43 PM
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10-14-2007 12:38 AM


Re: A quibble
I would ask you for your response to:
Effect of anoreceptive intercourse on anorectal function AJ Miles, TG Allen-Mersh and C Wastell, Department of Surgery, Westminster Hospital, London; in Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine Vol 86, Issue 3 144-147; 1993
link
Because, as I understand, the medical consensus is that Anal Sex is more risky than Vaginal Sex for both partners - although the risks can be largely alleviated by care and consideration.

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Message 125 of 221 (428116)
10-14-2007 7:46 PM
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10-14-2007 4:00 PM


Re: inherited vs polygenetic homosexuality
Do wild animals experience sex abuse?
(Hint: the answer is no.)
Gang rape has been observed in Dolphins and Chimpanzees, as in the female has been left injured or dead.

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Message 126 of 221 (428117)
10-14-2007 7:49 PM
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10-12-2007 12:39 PM


Re: Anal sex
You realise that many heterosexual men enjoy having things put up their bottoms, right?
Quoted because I think it bares repeating.
We've gone off on a whole homosexuality tagent when there is no evidence that our hypocritical reverent was gay. From the evidence he just liked (extreme) bondage and having things up his bum.

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Message 127 of 221 (428118)
10-14-2007 7:50 PM
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10-14-2007 7:41 PM


Re: Sex abuse v. rape
having been groped and raped, i no longer see the difference between the two.
I'm sorry to hear that.
But I don't think your view generalises.

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Message 136 of 221 (428180)
10-15-2007 5:24 AM
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10-14-2007 10:34 PM


Re: inherited vs polygenetic homosexuality
Did the chimps go lesbo?
Huh?

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