Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill? Sequal Thread

Of course it can be flawed. We are all aware that there are mistakes, bias and out right corruption possible in human activities.So what do you do about that?If you see quotes from scientists on some new, surprising result, most of the time the comment is "We'll see if it is reproduced". That's one thing that is done. Secondly, the nature of the work is examined very, very carefully. In other words the methods of careful science are applied.If you think there is a better way I'd love to see a thread on it. Simply taking people's word on it wouldn't be a better way to me and I don't see anyone doing anything more than that.

Exactly what sort of point do you think you are making? You have an interesting reaction to new inputs. Your tunnel vision veers into an even narrower tunnel all the while with you claiming you have the open mind. Brocolli may very well help against cancer. The evidence for that sort of thing seems to be mounting rapidly. I already give it a strong degree of confidence and act accordingly.However, against that, vaccines have obliterated some horrible, highly contagious, diseases with high mortality rates.When the next pandemic sweeps the world will you line up for your vaccine or eat more brocolli?I think we should have a wide spread poll about who is on which side of this kind of discussion and then come back to it after the pandemic and compare mortality rates. I'll place a good sized bet on the outcome and, it seems, some will bet more: their lives.

In a natural conditions most vaccines would not be necessary so I'd agree I guess.Diamond makes the point in "Guns, Germs and Steel" that really virulant diseases don't exist in hunter-gatherer populations because when one arises it wipes out the village where it appears and they population is so sparse it hasn't a chance to get to another village and so goes extinct.In unnatural populations (agriculture, denser populations) the disease can move to another group before it obliterates where it arose. In the larger population there are a small number of survivors so immunity and an evolved resistance arises. So the disease can maintain itself indefinitely.Since we seem to want to exist in larger more dense populations there are a long list of diseases for which vaccination is necessary. They've been listed before and the only reason that everyone isn't vaccinated is the previous vaccination work has reduced them to a vaccinate as needed (try traveling to South America or Africa without them) situation.You may hold on to your views but I think it would prove to be enormously dangerous to put them into practice. I'll trust those who actually know something on this to make the public health choices.If you really want something to fight against and worry about (my bro the doc's biggest worry) try fighting the ridiculous over use of antibiotics. Animal feed, household cleansers, nose wipes -- utterly stupid! And the science is on your side with this one.

Vaccine for infantsSo some here think this should be stopped now?A 26,000 child study is about to start.

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Infants in Mozambique who had been injected with the experimental vaccine RTS,S/AS02 were 65 per cent less likely to be infected with Plasmodium falciparum - the mosquito-borne parasite that causes malaria - than infants injected with a control vaccine, according to the first major trial of a malaria vaccine in 210 infants. Recipients were also 35 per cent less likely than controls to develop malaria itself.

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This isn't how I see it. What I think is that "mainstream" is a short cut meaning "careful methodology". Some journals are trusted more because they have been subject to a lot of scrutiny and what they publish is more likely to be well done methodologically.The sources that you want to use aren't so trusted and, when the material published is examined in some detail the lack of trust is justified. They do not exhibit careful methodology.In the end it is the actual work that is what is important. Many of us are just more willing to trust some sources to have done better work.To settle any given issue it is, in the final analysis, necessary to drill down to the details of the available evidence.