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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A Christian believes at least the basics as described in various creeds and confessions, and is a Bible-believer, the Bible being understood to have been supernaturally transmitted to the prophets by God Himself. All of it. I know this is disputed here, from many angles, so I don't usually get into it.
AbE: Here we have a list of over 20,000 individuls that claim not only to be Christians, but Christian Clergy. People claim all kinds of things rightly and wrongly. Means nothing in itself. This message has been edited by Faith, 11-26-2005 10:56 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, first, let me correct a mistatement I obviously made.
The list is only 10,000+ names, not 20,000. That was a mistake on my part and I'd like to correct it now.
People claim all kinds of things rightly and wrongly. Yes, people can claim anything. They can claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible. Means nothing in itself. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, people can claim anything. They can claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible. Means nothing in itself. Definitely.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Officially inviting you up to chat, if you can handle the heat! Im not against you, by the way! (Sat. 9:50 pm Denver time)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thanks Phat but I'm just making quick runs into EvC as it is, trying to get some work done in between, and chat would just be too much at this point.
Not to mention that I'm not up to taking any heat at the moment. But thanks, some other time.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
, the Bible being understood to have been supernaturally transmitted to the prophets by God Himself. All of it.
Anyone who believes that is quite naive.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Anyone who believes that is quite naive. That's a lot of people you claim to know are naive.
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
Faith writes: A Christian believes at least the basics as described in various creeds and confessions, and is a Bible-believer But not only is there no consensus among those who call themselves "Christians" as to what the basics are, there isn't even agreement over what constitutes Canon.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Your definition of Christian is establishing your limits and making them his. 'Come let us reason together' - you may be a very bad boy, but I can make it alright........is your limit. But - 'come let us reason together' is an invitation with infinite possibilities as are God's possibilities infinite. The rest of your post also establishes your limits as a Christian, for it 'did not slip the surly bonds of earth to fly where never lark or even eagle flew'.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: This is what it means to you - you need to say that. The concept 'Christian' is a highly personal one - a one on one with Christ to work out the meaning on an individual base, not a collective. That is why the definitions vary among those who ascribe to Christ. There is NO pat answer. You took umbrage with the term 'disputed'. Why do you come here? To debate? Is another application for dispute, which is not always negative.Good luck to you.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
[content deleted](I made a link to a closed thread)
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-27-2005 09:12 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But you yourself havily interpret certain parts of the Bible when it suits you, and take other parts at face value when it suits you. That is clear for anyone to see. You therefore do the same as any other denomination; you just do it for different passages and come to a different interpretation than others. for example, you do not take literally the passage in the Bible which indicates that all believers should be able to cure disease by touching the afflicted, handle poisonous snakes without danger, and drink any deadly thing and be completely unharmed, and that these are signs that should indicate to people who the real Christians are. You interpret your way out of the simple, direct reading of this passage. For some reason, you think it is OK to do this in this instance, but it isn't OK to do this in Genesis. It's arbitrary and just as interpretive as any other reading of the Bible that differs from yours. In addition, you have admitted that humans are fallible, and therefore it follows that human perception and interpretation of the Bible is also fallable. You, and the people you follow, are fallible, and so you might be wrong in youtr interpretation, right?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, that means that you follow a liberal interpretation of certain passages of the Bible. You do interpret parts of the Bible to fit modern ideas. Otherwise, you would advocate slavery and you would believe that all Christians should be able to drink any poison and remain unharmed. You would also believe that a hard firmament into which the stars are "set" is what the sky is made of. Etcetera.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
That's a lot of people you claim to know are naive.
Maybe if some of those people were to actually read the Bible, they might start to wonder whether they should really blame God for everything that is written in it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
that's one mans opinion.
he could be wrong eh?
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