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Rrhain
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Message 62 of 152 (414576)
08-04-2007 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Rob
08-04-2007 1:36 PM


Re: The great "I AM"
You don't get to have it both ways, Rob.
If god is less complex than humans, then it is not true that simple things cannot create complex things. Thus, there is no objection to evolution starting with very primitive life forms and resulting in the highly evolved life we see today.
If god is as or more complex than humans, then it is not true that god does not need a designer since if humans are too complex to arise without a designer, then god being more so is even stronger evidence of an uber-designer that created god. Thus, we have an infinite regression of designers.
Which is it? Is god more or less complex than humans?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 64 of 152 (414588)
08-05-2007 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by ICANT
08-04-2007 11:53 PM


Re: The great "I AM"
ICANT responds to me:
quote:
Why does God have to have a designer?
Because the claim made by the creationists is that complexity cannot arise on its own.
So where does that leave god? If god is simpler than humans, then the claim that complexity cannot arise from simpler reagents is shown to be false. If god is as or more complex than humans, then god needs a designer too because the claim is that humans are "too complex" to have arisen on their own.
You don't get to have it both ways. Either complexity arises without any designer or you necessarily have an infinite regression of designers.
Which is it?
quote:
GR does not make sense at this point
And isn't it refreshing to know that we don't look to general relativity when trying to discuss cosmogenesis?
Your error is akin to the ones creationists commonly make when trying to use evolution to explain the origin of life. Evolution does not say anything about the origin of life for it is consistent with any method of origins you care to name. Life could arise chemically through abiogenesis, supernaturally through god zap-poofing it into existence, interdimensionally through a rift in space-time, extraterrestrially from alien seeding or panspermia, or any other method you care to name. So long as that life, however it managed to come into being, did not reproduce perfectly from generation to generation, then evolution is satisfied.
So why are you trying to use relativity, which says nothing about cosmogenesis, to answer a question regarding cosmogenesis? Relativity is a result of the nature of light. It doesn't matter how light came into being, so long as it behaves the way light does.
Now, answer the question I put forward:
Is god less complex than humans or more?
You don't get to have it both ways.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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