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Buzsaw

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Message 275 of 295 (529632)
10-09-2009 10:12 PM

Reply to: Message 3 by Rahvin
09-10-2009 2:59 PM

Cavediver writes:

The Sunday-school is thorough and effective in producing new generations of Bible-believing creationist Christians. .......It's nothing more than Authoritarian ethics at work, where "God" acts as the authority. ........ If you get to children when they're young and impressionable enough, are they doomed to a lifetime of evangelical closemindedness?.......Personally I find it to be a reprehensible system of ethics

Hi Cavediver. And to think, in the early decades of our republic all of the nation's public school kiddies had two required evangelical text books; the Holy Bible and Watt's Hymnal.

The late liberal Supreme Court justice Warren said:

I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses ... Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia ... or to the Charter of New England ... or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay ... or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut ... the same objective is present ... a Christian land governed by Christian principles. I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people ... I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country."

-- [Liberal] Supreme Court chief justice, Earl Warren

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 277 of 295 (529644)
10-09-2009 11:27 PM

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10-09-2009 10:29 PM

DrJones writes:

As well in the past your republic allowed slavery and limited the rights of women.

Hi Doc. LOL. Nearly all nations at one time or other have allowed slavery. Your own Canada didn't abolish it until 1803.

New Zealand was the first nation to allow women sufferage in 1893.

My implicated point went over your head, that wholesale Biblical evangelical indoctrination of children produced a unique free and prosperous republic envied by the rest of the world.

Many of the slaves who had godly Biblical Golden Rule oriented owners enjoyed a better life than many pagan cultures afforded, a number of who did not want emacipated.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 281 of 295 (529799)
10-10-2009 3:44 PM

Reply to: Message 278 by ochaye
10-10-2009 9:14 AM

Provoking Animosity

Ochave writes:

The Bible does not say that. It says that those who reject Christ hate the truth, and by that it means that they hate the truth about themselves. That truth is that they are sinners, i.e. they offend others in their actions and their words. That unwillingness to admit guilt and behave in a decent, civil manner (and the Bible's God wants nothing more than that) might perhaps be said to make them bastard children, but it puts them out of the company of the creator, and into the 'outer darkness' where their guilt and shame will accompany them for eternity.
The Bible does say that we are gods, i.e. we have sovereign right to decide our own destinies, based on our attitude to truth. So we can choose to accept our sinful condition, and acknowledge the forgiveness that comes from the cross of Christ; or, we can choose to deny that we do wrong, or admit that we do wrong, but be unwilling to accept that Jesus died for our sakes. In the latter cases, we self-destruct in a blaze of incandescent fire and smoke, because it is a dreadful and momentous thing for a god to destroy himself or herself. The horror and the shame of it may be far too great to express in words.

Hi Ochave.

1. We apologists for the Bible sometimes tend to use a sledge hammer when a medium carpenter's hammer would drive the nail home more nicely without destroying the nail.

By the same token, unfortunately some Christ rejectors live a more Biblically prinipled life than many professors of Christianity. Some of them offend less by their actions and words than some who profess Christianity. Some of them act in a more civil and decent manner than some professing Christians.

It behooves us who are apologists for the Bible here in a more or less secularist board to word our messages in a non-condescending manner, not forgetting our own deficiencies and faults.

There are a number of truth-seekers here at EvC who have not yet professed Christianity. Most of us were there before we came to receive Jesus as lord and savior. Sadly the divorce rate among professing Christians is not much, if any better than that of secularists, for example.

2. No place in the Bible does it say we are gods. The implication in the Genesis creation record is that man kind would (like the gods/heavenly entities) become aware of good and evil by eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. The period of innocency would pass.

This is not to say that we are not to proclaim Biblical sin, righteousness and judgement, so far as we do it in a manner provoking as little animosity as possible so and so as to avoid doing more damage to Christianity than good. I've had to work on this myself, so as I point the finger, three fingers automatically point toward myself.

Edited by Buzsaw, : overlooked misspelling.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 283 of 295 (529848)
10-10-2009 7:53 PM

Reply to: Message 282 by ochaye
10-10-2009 4:47 PM

Re: Provoking Animosity

Ochave, I don't want to lead off topic here so you might want to check out Psalms 82 which Jesus's statement aluded to. This will put the statement in question in proper perspective. If you wish to persue the topic further, propose a thread and I'll discuss it with you.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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