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Kitsune
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Message 148 of 295 (524486)
09-17-2009 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Percy
09-16-2009 8:44 AM


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The premise of this thread is that it is evangelical indoctrination during childhood that produces adults who have no compunction against condemning most of humanity to an eternity of suffering in hell.
This is in contrast to the Catholocism that I was brought up with. I don't remember priests or Sunday school teachers dwelling on hell or its punishments. Therefore I just never thought about it much when I was a child -- I could see how it related to me, in the sense that I needed to behave, but the implications for non-Christians were always skirted over somehow. There is of course the Catholic notion of Purgatory, though I think that is meant to apply more to Christians who have sinned to certain degrees.
People who actually rejoice in the thought of most of humanity being sent to hell, and who pass this on to their children, display the same psychology as racists and all others who set themselves up to be elite superior groups. It's rooted in fear -- personal insecurity, perceived lack of power, a desire to project undesirable emotions onto others who can then be condemned. This black-and-white thinking also removes the responsibility to think for oneself and weigh moral decisions; all you have to do is what the Bible says, and those who don't (or those who don't believe) will go to hell. Unfortunately this psychology appeals to some people, especially when it is reinforced in closely-knit groups. Parents will pass the doctrines on to their children, and so it goes on down the line. In order to break that chain the children face the challenge of beginning to think for themselves, to question, and to face the fearful possibility of having to leave their families and their social groups if those groups subsequently reject them. Not everyone has that kind of courage. It would be interesting in this thread to hear from more people who have had this experience.
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Kitsune
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From: Leicester, UK
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Message 150 of 295 (524494)
09-17-2009 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by ochaye
09-17-2009 6:31 AM


Re: Worthless subtitle killed
That's true, Christianity before Protestantism (i.e. Catholocism) pushed the fear of hell. Many religions do. Personally I have a problem with being asked to a) believe in a god that is not much different from a parent, and b) believe that this god loves us all until we hack him off enough, at which time we will be eternally tormented.
Care to respond to the rest of my post?

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Kitsune
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Message 152 of 295 (524501)
09-17-2009 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by ochaye
09-17-2009 8:03 AM


Re: Worthless subtitle killed
I'm not a Catholic. I'm not even a Christian. Anyway, you seem to be sidestepping the main points of my original post. Any thoughts?

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Kitsune
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From: Leicester, UK
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Message 154 of 295 (524504)
09-17-2009 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by ochaye
09-17-2009 8:14 AM


Re: Worthless subtitle killed
Message 148
Second paragraph, in response to Percy's reiteration of the point of the thread:
quote:
The premise of this thread is that it is evangelical indoctrination during childhood that produces adults who have no compunction against condemning most of humanity to an eternity of suffering in hell.

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Kitsune
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From: Leicester, UK
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Message 157 of 295 (524725)
09-18-2009 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by ochaye
09-17-2009 8:27 AM


Re: Worthless subtitle killed
Maybe you can review the last few messages Ochaye and ask yourself if you are addressing what either Percy or I said. I think this conversation is lost somewhere in non sequitur-land.

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Kitsune
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Posts: 788
From: Leicester, UK
Joined: 09-16-2007


Message 161 of 295 (525356)
09-23-2009 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by ochaye
09-21-2009 7:31 PM


Reminder of topic
OK I'm going to try to elucidate again. Percy's recent reminder of the topic here was:
quote:
The premise of this thread is that it is evangelical indoctrination during childhood that produces adults who have no compunction against condemning most of humanity to an eternity of suffering in hell.
The very basic gist of my own reply, which you have ignored, is that fear is at the root of such beliefs and actions. It's the fear that causes people to find comfort in elitist groups which project their own undesirable qualities onto others. This includes racists. Do you have an opinion on this?
All you're doing is repeating your belief that God wants people to be saved. The problem is that the fundamentalists under discussion here believe that this can only happen if you become a fundamentalist yourself. A common tactic used to "save" people is to threaten them with hell. What's more, your attempts to paint yourself as someone who has compassion toward the "unsaved" ("love your enemies") is contradictory to opinions you expressed earlier in this thread:
Message 15
quote:
Is it uncompassionate and unloving to throw out the trash? Is it compassionate and loving to force decent people to live with people who are not decent?
Message 17
quote:
Are most human beings not trash, then?
I double-dog-dare you to put some thought into your next response, stay on topic, and write more than 2 or 3 sentences.

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