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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
granpa
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Message 991 of 1006 (821602)
10-09-2017 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 990 by RAZD
10-09-2017 5:11 PM


Re: Granpa whine -- not proposed topic
Your story keeps changing and your excuses keep getting thinner and thinner. Now you insult me by calling me a whiner.

In Truth you've given up trying to rationalize your behavior and now you're just throwing me to the trolls in the hope that I will get angry and say something bitter that you can then use as an excuse to give me banned. Good luck with that.

By the way this is exactly the result that I expected all along.

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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granpa
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Message 992 of 1006 (821603)
10-09-2017 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 990 by RAZD
10-09-2017 5:11 PM


Re: Granpa whine -- not proposed topic
The whole point of the proposed threads forum is so you can point out any issues you might have with that post before it gets sent to regular discussion. If you had any issues with my post you should have simply pointed them out and giving me a chance to rectify it. The fact that you didn't do so clearly reveals your true motives

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Coyote
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Message 993 of 1006 (821607)
10-09-2017 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 992 by granpa
10-09-2017 8:50 PM


Re: Granpa whine -- not proposed topic
And your habit of proposing, let us kindly say "questionable" topics, cut-and-pasted from elsewhere, then not staying around to defend them, reeks of spam.

If you had any issues with my post you should have simply pointed them out and giving me a chance to rectify it.

Only the proposer and admins can post to the Proposed Topic threads.

Edited by Coyote, : No reason given.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 994 of 1006 (821608)
10-09-2017 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 992 by granpa
10-09-2017 8:50 PM


Re: Granpa whine -- not proposed topic
"The whole point of the proposed threads forum is so you can point out any issues you might have with that post before it gets sent to regular discussion."

Only the moderator is allowed to respond to thread proposals in that forum.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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dronestar
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Message 995 of 1006 (822420)
10-24-2017 3:26 PM


Hey Percy,

Percy writes:

I don't really know you, and I don't recall ever having a discussion with you, and I don't recall ever interacting with you in an administrative capacity, . . .

1. Actually you previously and similarly admonished me about using examples of western crimes against third world nations. Seems to be a repeating irritant to you.

2. One of the forum rules is to argue the topic, not the person:

Percy writes:

I think you're still forgetting to take your meds.


That type of post may not foment respectful responses. It would be helpful if you model the type of behavior you want others to copy.

3.

Percy writes:

If you'd like to engage in constructive discussion of the topic of this thread (The Trump Presidency) then I think that'd be great,

The topic has veered off-topic to A valid reason to vote 3rd Party before I posted anything. You yourself have participated in this off-topic discussion for several dozen posts.

4.

Percy writes:

You seem very interested in Clinton as a war criminal, so the best way to pursue discussing it would be to open a new thread. Anyone can open a thread in the Coffee House forum. You don't have to propose it first.

Ive opened many new threads in the past, but thanks for the reminder. Good advice for EVERYbody.

5.

Percy writes:

But let me add that spamming a thread, even your own thread, with the kinds of photos you've been posting thus far for the reasons you have will bring administrative action.

Percy writes:

but if you continue to spam the thread in the way that you have then I will follow the normal administrative procedures for such situations.

a. Precedent: Ive been posting these type of photos, that ARE supportive evidence, for a long time on the forum (years?). Curiously, you only started to object when I was specifically debating you.

b. Spamming?

quote:
spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send an unsolicited message (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

It doesnt seem my inclusion of photos or cartoons that support my argument can be called spamming. The photos were not advertisements, and each of my posts included new material, as opposed to some variation of please take your medications. Per the forums guidelines we are encouraged to provide evidence for our arguments. Perhaps you are against me presenting TOO much evidence? That would be a strange request in a a debate forum, but perhaps the forum has some technical limitation that I am not aware. If not, then Im confused. It seems you have a personal definition of spamming that I am not familiar with, please provide. Be specific or else I risk running against the forums whims again.

6.

Percy writes:

I want EvC Forum to remain a decent place.

a. Repeatedly posting I think you're still forgetting to take your meds may not help create a respectful environment for a decent place. It would be helpful if you model the type of behavior you want others to copy.

b. And since the topics are often about the ugliness of the world, lifes crudity, grown-up debates, etc., . . . then, without arbitrary censorship, how will you maintain the forum to be a decent place AND still discuss the worlds adult matters? If possible, please be specific.

7.

Percy writes:

Ill be downsizing the photos from your posts in this thread soon.

You originally wrote that you would be DELETING portions of my posts. Thank you for seeing that the photos are not mere Spam, whatever that term may now mean, and that they do indeed have value, and thank you for self-correcting your action. We both agree that credible charges of censorship would devalue the forum.

8. Lastly, just a gentle reminder, . . . you do know it is bad form to be both participant and moderator in the same thread, especially while in the middle of a debate. Asking a co-moderator to assist would seem to be a more even-handed action.

Thank you for your time.

Edited by dronestar, : clarity


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Message 996 of 1006 (822437)
10-24-2017 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 995 by dronestar
10-24-2017 3:26 PM


dronestar writes:

8. Lastly, just a gentle reminder, . . . you do know it is bad form to be both participant and moderator in the same thread, especially while in the middle of a debate. Asking a co-moderator to assist would seem to be a more even-handed action.

I said I would follow standard administrative procedures. For me as a participant to become a moderator entails recusing myself from discussion in the thread for two days before taking over moderation.

a. Precedent: Ive been posting these type of photos, that ARE supportive evidence, for a long time on the forum (years?). Curiously, you only started to object when I was specifically debating you.

Obviously one person can't read everything posted to the forum, and this is the first time I've seen a post from you with such photos. Please stop.

The topic has veered off-topic to A valid reason to vote 3rd Party before I posted anything. You yourself have participated in this off-topic discussion for several dozen posts.

Topic diversions are not discouraged unless they interfere with the main topic.

a. Repeatedly posting I think you're still forgetting to take your meds may not help create a respectful environment for a decent place. It would be helpful if you model the type of behavior you want others to copy.

Well, then, if both of us behave respectfully and work toward making this a decent place then there shouldn't be any problem, should there.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 997 of 1006 (822438)
10-24-2017 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 995 by dronestar
10-24-2017 3:26 PM


Hysterical Hillary Hater?
I've just realized that the other evcforum.net poster you are reminding me of is Dennis Markuze - That's not a good thing.

But feel free to start a new "Coffee House" topic to air your Hillary perspective.

Adminnemooseus

ps - For the record, Dennis's most recent postings were via the superuniverse ID.


Or something like that.

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jar
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Message 998 of 1006 (836807)
07-22-2018 5:40 PM


AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
When discussing a book that begins with the whole of the very second paragraph consisting of nothing but unsupported assertions it is reasonable to ask "What is the evidence to support all those assertions."

Is AdminPhat really that ignorant?


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios My Website: My Website

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Phat
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Message 999 of 1006 (836908)
07-24-2018 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 998 by jar
07-22-2018 5:40 PM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
All I am doing is standing up for Faith for a change. Granted she never acknowledges your numerous (many, many) posts where you ask her for evidence...but the fact is that she does not feel a need to do so. She has her belief and asks only that people respect it...no matter how lacking in evidence it might be. This may be the dogma of her culture, but it deserves more than pity and ridicule.
quote:
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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PaulK
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Message 1000 of 1006 (836909)
07-24-2018 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 999 by Phat
07-24-2018 4:52 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
I think that Faiths idea of respect is rather different from the intent of the guidelines. Moreover it is apparently not something she is willing to extend to others, despite her claim it is owed

Since Faith is apparently unwilling to explain what she means, perhaps you can explain and justify the respect that you think should be given - and make sure that Faith is held to the standard, too. Because we know perfectly well that she wont follow it of her own accord.


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jar
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Message 1001 of 1006 (836910)
07-24-2018 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 999 by Phat
07-24-2018 4:52 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
Sorry but not all beliefs deserve respect. Granted beliefs that harm no one other than the believer should be tolerated but not necessarily respected.

This is a discussion board.

Faith started a topic to discuss the book.

She has shown she is unwilling or unable to provide evidence to support her beliefs.

So just how can we discuss the book?

We have acknowledge that it is very likely there are lots of people that believe much like she believes.

Edited by jar, : add last sentence


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ringo
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Message 1002 of 1006 (836931)
07-24-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 999 by Phat
07-24-2018 4:52 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
Phat writes:

She has her belief and asks only that people respect it...


I can respect people who collect stamps but if they come on a discussion board and make claims about their stamp collection, they can expect to be challenged.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1003 of 1006 (836968)
07-25-2018 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1001 by jar
07-24-2018 8:08 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
She has shown she is unwilling or unable to provide evidence to support her beliefs.

So just how can we discuss the book?

Criticize the book and its author rather than Faith herself. We all know each other by now and we know that she will never play your game of evidence nor challenge orthodox interpretations. Better to move the topic forward by challenging the author and providing counter-arguments rather than expect Faith to have to question her own beliefs. It will never happen.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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jar
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Message 1004 of 1006 (836970)
07-25-2018 9:13 AM
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07-25-2018 8:54 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
Asking her to provide evidence, pointing out that she cannot or will not support her assertions is not criticizing her but rather commenting on the fact that the book is simply another example of cult dogma.

The author is afraid to join in the discussion it seems.

Edited by jar, : add the fact that the author is not a part of the discussion and so cannot be challenged.


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Phat
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Message 1005 of 1006 (836975)
07-25-2018 9:45 AM
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07-25-2018 9:13 AM


Re: AdminPhat seems ignorant of what discussion means.
Asking her to provide evidence, pointing out that she cannot or will not support her assertions is not criticizing her but rather commenting on the fact that the book is simply another example of cult dogma.
Approaching a discussion that way is simply your attempt to frame the issue the way that you feel it needs to be framed before the public. In her mind, it is disrespectful. It does not allow her an alternative stage to present the issue the way that she feels needs to be presented to the public (or at least those who share her views).
The author is afraid to join in the discussion it seems.
The author never has a pleasant discussion with you, though. She is continually asked to answer your questions, provide evidence, or feels as if she is losing a debate that she never wanted. Granted this is a discussion board. And yes, you were taught to defend your views years ago and seem to respect that mode of debate. All she wants is another stage next to the one she sees as liberal and leftist. She wants a stage on the right.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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