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Message 16 of 350 (605570)
02-20-2011 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Dr Adequate
02-20-2011 11:29 PM


Re: no brainer?
Yes, but people still get paid for making them, and then spend the money, so it's not completely a pit. It is arguably more pit-like than other forms of spending.
Right.
All of the money spent on such things goes into the American economy and circulates around and around.
What doesn't do so is the money sent to Saudi Arabia et al. for oil. What little we see of that coming back is in the form of mosques teaching a radical fundamentalist version of Islam. That we could do without.
How about we build a bunch of nuclear plants instead? With sufficient energy we can do almost anything.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 19 of 350 (605575)
02-20-2011 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Jon
02-20-2011 11:42 PM


Re: no brainer?
Does anyone still buy that stupid Mid-East oil argument? Jeesh...
Refute it if you can.
Show us how money sent to Arab princes for oil benefits our economy more than money spent here at home on high technology and cheap energy.

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Message 22 of 350 (605579)
02-21-2011 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dr Adequate
02-21-2011 12:02 AM


Re: no brainer?
The Irish are our friends. They send us Celtic Woman.
The Saudis are not our friends. They send us mosques preaching sharia, and wanting to implement it here.
I'll take the former any day, thank you. (I saw them last fall and they were great!)

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Message 103 of 350 (605954)
02-22-2011 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by crashfrog
02-22-2011 8:32 PM


Re: Budget Cuts & Reality
crashfrog writes:
Sorry, I don't think that Communism is either a practical or an ethical economic system.
Really? Every American family is engaged in it. I think something that works for every single American family is probably fairly practical. As far as ethics go - I don't know, something strikes me as unethical about demanding that children not receive the benefits of their parent's income and expenditures unless they're making just as much money as their parents. Is there a lot of demand for the labor and skills of one-month old infants?
Are you at all aware of human nature?
Are you aware that those who are productive will not carry those who are leeches forever? Especially when the leeches demand more and more and produce less and less. That is communism for you. And that is why it has failed everywhere it has been tried. Just look at the shining examples of communistic societies: start with North Korea, for example.
Sorry, but you are thinking like a college sophomore who has been exposed to too many economics courses. (That's not a compliment.)

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Message 112 of 350 (605975)
02-22-2011 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by crashfrog
02-22-2011 10:50 PM


Re: Budget Cuts & Reality
Just how much of the income of those who are productive do you think you and those who think like you can steal?
50%? 75%? 100%?
And have you given any thought to what will happen when those of us who are productive decide we don't want to support you and all the other leaches?
Does the term, "Who is John Galt" mean anything to you?

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Coyote
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Message 120 of 350 (605987)
02-22-2011 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by crashfrog
02-22-2011 11:08 PM


Re: Budget Cuts & Reality
The truth is, Coyote, I wish people like you would "withhold your productivity." Every day a libertarian goes to work, the world is worse off as a result.
With every post like this your credibility just sinks lower and lower.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.

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Message 159 of 350 (606232)
02-24-2011 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by 1.61803
02-24-2011 11:36 AM


Re: Very interesting reading greenie lies
1.61803 writes:
As far as" a coal plant releasing more radiation" is concerned, heh, tell the to the residents at Chernobyl. Oh my bad, they're all dead from radiation poisoning.
Sorry, that happens not to be the case. Someone has fed you bad information.
Deaths due to the Chernobyl disaster
The following is a list of those known to be killed or severely injured from the accident, numbering seventy personnel.
Deaths due to the Chernobyl disaster - Wikipedia
The bottom line: 70 people were killed or severely injured.
Another Wiki report:
In the aftermath of the accident, 237 people suffered from acute radiation sickness, of whom 31 died within the first three months.[76][77] Most of these were fire and rescue workers trying to bring the accident under control, who were not fully aware of how dangerous exposure to the radiation in the smoke was. Whereas, the World Health Organization's report 2006 Report of the Chernobyl Forum Expert Group from the 237 emergency workers who were diagnosed with ARS, ARS was identified as the cause of death for 28 of these people within the first few months after the disaster. There were no further deaths identified in the general population affected by the disaster as being caused by ARS. Of the 72,000 Russian Emergency Workers being studied, 216 non cancer deaths are attributed to the disaster, between 1991 and 1998. The latency period for solid cancers caused by excess radiation exposure is 10 or more years, thus at the time of the WHO report being undertaken the rates of solid cancer deaths were no greater than the general population.Some 135,000 people were evacuated from the area, including 50,000 from Pripyat.
Chernobyl disaster - Wikipedia
You seem to have fallen for some of the lies greenies and other lefties used to scare people into thinking nuclear power is vastly more dangerous then it actually is.

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Message 166 of 350 (606268)
02-24-2011 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Rahvin
02-24-2011 12:39 PM


Re: Very interesting reading greenie lies
Rahvin writes:
You seem to have fallen for some of the lies greenies and other lefties used to scare people into thinking nuclear power is vastly more dangerous then it actually is.
For the record, Coyote, I'm a pretty hardcore liberal, and I'm also a huge supporter of nuclear power as the cheapest, cleanest, safest and most plentiful method of power generation currently available.
Good for you!
That's refreshing to hear.

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Message 191 of 350 (606544)
02-26-2011 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Omnivorous
02-26-2011 11:40 AM


Re: Very interesting reading greenie lies
Storing waste for thousands of years isn't that much of a problem.
Long before that we'll be digging all that stuff up and reusing it with some still-undiscovered technique.
It will be valuable someday! We need to store it where we can get at it easily.

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Message 215 of 350 (606663)
02-27-2011 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Phat
02-27-2011 3:54 PM


Re: Is there any other ways to get out of debt?
Own any US Savings Bonds? Lots of folks around the US do.
How would you like to see those default?

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Message 228 of 350 (606703)
02-27-2011 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by crashfrog
02-27-2011 10:44 PM


Re: inequality widens, gets worse for the workers
Well, no, it's not. It's only going to be slightly larger than expected - rich or poor, there's only so many hours in the day and only so much one man can do. The productivity of the rich is going to reflect their lower downtime due to poor health, their greater labor effectiveness due to fitness, their greater education, and so on. But that's about it. Rich or poor there's only 24 hours in a day to do things. Of course, the greater portion of a rich person's life devoted to leisure indicates that their productivity is actually quite a bit lower than we would expect.
You are leaving out a lot, probably deliberately.
Your claim is true when men have to rely on their brute muscle power to accomplish things.
In a large corporation those at the top are not relying on muscle power to accomplish things. Knowledge and skill count, as do contacts outside the corporation.
The productivity of the "rich" is more likely going to relate to their ability to do things for the corporation that the janitor and floor-worker just can't do. And they are paid in relation to that ability.
Your attempts to equate the two levels are simply not reflecting reality.

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Message 232 of 350 (606708)
02-27-2011 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Minnemooseus
02-27-2011 11:21 PM


Re: So, how much can an individual really EARN, in a year or a lifetime?
And we have individuals getting paid $100,000,000+ a year. Is it possible to EARN such a thing? I say, NO WAY IN HELL! And to do such is an undesirable distortion of (ideal) capitalist theory.
I'll agree with that!

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Message 277 of 350 (606841)
02-28-2011 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by RAZD
02-28-2011 1:07 PM


Re: inequality widens, gets worse for the workers
Curiously, millionaires seem to pay less percentage overall than many in the middle class. So they are stealing from the government as well as from the workers.
And the poor pay no income tax while enjoying a lot of benefits that the middle class is not allowed. Talk about stealing!
The way to get a lot more of something is for the government to subsidize it.

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Message 314 of 350 (607090)
03-01-2011 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Phage0070
03-01-2011 10:50 PM


Re: simple
So you are relying upon these people who already tend to give massively to charity to become much more altruistic based on being able to retire from being so filthy rich they didn't need to work anyway.
I got into archaeology so I could be filthy rich.
I'm half way there...
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Message 316 of 350 (607095)
03-01-2011 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Phage0070
03-01-2011 10:54 PM


Re: simple
That brings up the second part of the joke:
Think dirty: shower with an archaeologist.
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