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Topic: Gun Control Again
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Used to be able to carry a gun in school
People rode around with gun racks in their pickup trucks. My brother was able to carry his own rifle through the school to get to the ROTC shooting range, the teachers permitted that, which they certainly wouldn't today. He had to remove the bolt which disables it of course but even that wouldn't be possible today, that was my point. This was in the 60s in Nevada.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 2987 of 5179 (745174)
12-19-2014 3:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 2979 by Percy
12-19-2014 9:32 AM
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Re: Let's keep the Islam out of this topic
There was no way to avoid the gun culture of the Old West was my point. HBD was using it as an example of violence breeding violence. I think the criminal enticements of the Old West were the source of the violence, not guns as such. Where bad guys abound you are going to get more violence. Let's impute the effect to the right cause.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 2988 of 5179 (745175)
12-19-2014 3:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 2981 by Percy
12-19-2014 9:55 AM
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Re: Let's keep the Islam out of this topic
The point was to have a new law, there was no law in place to require the mother keep her guns from the son. If there's a law then she'd have to come up with a way to accomplish it. It's not impossible.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 2989 of 5179 (745176)
12-19-2014 3:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 2985 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:26 PM
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Re: Black Robed Regiment: the preachers of the Revolutionary War
Faith writes: The point was only and entirely to show that CHRISTIANS SUPPORTED THE REVOLUTIONAR WAR which certainly implies supporting the possession of guns. Of course, they were not true Christians. Jesus never supported war or killing. This is just another example of Fox Fundamentalism.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 2990 of 5179 (745177)
12-19-2014 3:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 2984 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:16 PM
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Re: self defence
Faith writes: There are areas where there is a high incidence of gun ownership and very low to zero crimes or gun deaths. Let's see your evidence to support that.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 2991 of 5179 (745178)
12-19-2014 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 2981 by Percy
12-19-2014 9:55 AM
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Re: Let's keep the Islam out of this topic
duplicate Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 2992 of 5179 (745179)
12-19-2014 3:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 2988 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:37 PM
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Re: Let's keep the Islam out of this topic
Faith writes:
The point was to have a new law, there was no law in place to require the mother keep her guns from the son. If there's a law then she'd have to come up with a way to accomplish it. It's not impossible. You are aware that the mentally ill person who should not have been allowed to have guns was the mother, right? The son was worse, but the mother was also way over the line.
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Used to be able to carry a gun in school
We had a gun range at school in NE Pennsylvania in the 1970's. It was strictly 22 caliber. Our rifles shot 22 shorts. There were no guns in the hallways. We sused school issued rifles that were locked up at the range. In Message 2943 I said my brother was able to carry HIS OWN rifle through the school to get to the ROTC shooting range. He'd asked permission and they gave it, with the stipulation that he remove the bolt.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Let's keep the Islam out of this topic
Then if we had a law against the mentally ill possessing guns she would have been disqualified.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009 Member Rating: 6.4
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Message 2995 of 5179 (745182)
12-19-2014 3:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 2993 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:50 PM
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Re: Used to be able to carry a gun in school
Faith restates:
my brother was able to carry HIS OWN rifle through the school What year & state was that? In my high school (1961-1964) you would have been taken to the Principal's Office, your parents summoned and then you were sent home. A second time & you would get suspended. IIRC. Of course this was in the People's Republic of Ann Arbor, MI.
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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guns / crime
high gun ownership, low crime:
... the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court would be wise to take into account the findings of a recent study out of Harvard. The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence. Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is no. And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases. The findings of two criminologists — Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser — in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling: Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population). For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. I wanted to find the statistic on American areas of high gun ownership with low crime. I'll keep looking. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Used to be able to carry a gun in school
Message 2943. Nevada in the 60s. He asked permission to use his own rifle in the ROTC shooting range and it was granted, with the stipulation that he remove the bolt while carrying it through the school.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Black Robed Regiment: the preachers of the Revolutionary War
The Black Robe Regiment was made up of orthodox Christian pastors of different denominations. See Message 2973 Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 2999 of 5179 (745186)
12-19-2014 4:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 2996 by Faith
12-19-2014 4:00 PM
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Re: guns / crime
Faith writes: I wanted to find the statistic on American areas of high gun ownership with low crime. I'll keep looking. That is what I thought you were talking about....the United States. In the U.S. we have both legal and illegal gun ownership that must be included in rate of gun ownership compared to gun crime rate.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Percy
Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 3000 of 5179 (745187)
12-19-2014 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 2984 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:16 PM
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Re: self defence
Faith writes: But here's the usual problem with such statistics. Canada does not have the demographic diversity of the US...etc... As is your habit, while defending one incorrect statement you have made another, but never mind that. What I'm more curious about is this: if you don't accept the statistics, then by what means did you come to "know" that Canadians placed themselves in greater danger by giving up their guns? By the way, your original statement that Canadians are in more danger because they "gave up their guns" is simply false. there was never any sea-change in Canadian gun control laws that could be interpreted as Canadians giving up their guns. Gun control legislation in Canada has a long history extending back to the late 1800's (see the Wikipedia article on Gun Politics in Canada), and the regulations have become gradually more and more strict over time. Actual statistics show that the Canadian homicide rate is 1.6 per 100,000 while the US is 4.7 (see the Wikipedia article on List of Countries by Intentional Homicide Rate), and much of the difference is due to gun prevalence. --Percy
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