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Topic: bombs in Boston ... and now in Texas???
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 13 of 152 (696429)
04-16-2013 1:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Coyote
04-16-2013 12:06 AM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
You're right. It must have been the Amish, or the Quakers... Well I think it was domestic, because a Muslim would have had the bomb attached to him for the extra helping of virgins. Given which, I think it was a lone nut, because the target was simply as many people as possible. Domestic terrorists with an actual cause would have attacked something symbolic (what exactly would depend on their ideology and what they're upset about. But very few people can be upset at marathon runners or ideologically opposed to them). Therefore, I think it's some guy from Boston who just hates everyone and wants to feel important.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 17 of 152 (696455)
04-16-2013 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
04-16-2013 3:59 AM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
2 bombs x 1 person?
1 bomb x 2 people? I'd guess 2 bombs x 1 person. 'Cos of the difficulty of bringing the subject up ... "Hey, I was thinking, why don't we bomb the Boston marathon?" "Why don't we what?" "It's just an idea I've been kicking around. Or we could go bowling. In fact, forget I said anything about the marathon. Silly idea, really." Of course people do sometimes persuade other people to become accomplices in horrific crimes, it's not impossible. But one person is more likely.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 21 of 152 (696471)
04-16-2013 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Tangle
04-16-2013 10:42 AM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
You've been watching Four Lions haven't you? No, that was just me.
I'm not sure - one commentator was saying that the marathon was a classic terrorist target - lots of innocent people, he seemed to think that a solo loony is more likely to have a personal target - tax office, teacher, local car wash that damaged his car, president. Well, the solo loony with a gun often just goes for as many people as possible. Did the mall shooter have a grievance against malls, or was he just looking for abundant targets? And terrorists, as I pointed out, would tend to go for a target of symbolic importance. I could be wrong, but on balance it's a lone nut. And as someone's pointed out, a terrorist group would take credit. Terrorists typically have a cause that they want to proclaim and/or demands that they want to be met.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 29 of 152 (696541)
04-16-2013 6:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by jar
04-16-2013 5:42 PM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
It could be quite reasonable and logical and domestic. It could be the act of someone seeking justice. Against whom? The thing about nail-bombs is, they're not terribly specific.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 31 of 152 (696544)
04-16-2013 6:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by jar
04-16-2013 6:35 PM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
A system, an affront; we just plain don't know. It is neither reasonable nor logical to seek "justice" against a "system" by targeting the people who took five hours and twenty minutes to complete the Boston Marathon.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 35 of 152 (696562)
04-16-2013 8:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by jar
04-16-2013 6:59 PM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
I'm sure that is what you believe. That would be a fair deduction based on the fact that that is what I said. But what do you believe?
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 38 of 152 (696568)
04-16-2013 9:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by jar
04-16-2013 9:01 PM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
Who and why are still total unknowns and it is silly to classify them as "disturbed" or "illogical" or "unreasonable" until more is known. Some things pretty much speak for themselves. This is one of them.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 52 of 152 (696614)
04-17-2013 11:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by jar
04-17-2013 10:33 AM
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Re: Calculated terror or Domestic Insanity?
But the people injured were likely not the target of the acts anyway; it may well be that they were simply incidental to some other target like the city, the state, tax laws, the Federal Government, Obama, Gay Marriage, the FBI ... And being logical and rational, he momentarily confused his actual target with the Boston Marathon? I would suggest that a logical and rational person could tell the difference between (for example) Obama and the Boston Marathon. For starters, Obama has fewer legs.
It is very possible, even likely, that whoever planted the bombs, whether foreign or domestic, believes that their actions were completely reasonable, logical, ethical and justified. Well yes, loonies always do. It is precisely in this that their error consists.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 64 of 152 (696632)
04-17-2013 12:03 PM
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Strange Memories Of Death
An excellent therapist I once knew made the point that in almost all cases of a criminal psychotic acting-out there was an easier alternative that the disturbed person overlooked. Brenda Spenser, for instance, could have walked to the local supermarket and bought a carton of chocolate milk instead of shooting eleven people, most of them children. The psychotic person actually chooses the more difficult path; he forces his will uphill. It is not true that he takes the line of least resistance, but he thinks he does. There, precisely, lies his error. The basis of psychosis, in a nutshell, is the chronic inability to see the easy way out. All the behavior, all that constitutes psychotic activity and the psychotic lifestyle, stems from this perceptual flaw. --- Philip K. Dick, Strange Memories Of Death.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 105 of 152 (696868)
04-19-2013 11:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 102 by Tangle
04-19-2013 2:44 AM
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Looks like the 1 guy x 2 bombs hypothesis is dead. I suppose that must increase the chances of this being terrorism. Yeah, looks like I was wrong about everything. It happens.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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But..that means..(lip trembles)..that I could be...(shiver)...wrong..too. (**Straggler's entire world implodes**) * holds Straggler * (No homo.) Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Re: Lock down
I am curious what you guys think about the general lock down of such a large area. Seems a little drastic. Is it sort of voluntary but not entirely? If a lock-down was voluntary then the bomber could say: "No, I don't consent to this, it's just not my cup of tea" and walk past the policemen.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 114 of 152 (696923)
04-19-2013 2:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Phat
04-19-2013 2:29 PM
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Re: Lock down
it seems to encourage terrorism, in my opinion. By catching the terrorists. Whereas is would completely discourage them if we let them do whatever they like. Of course, why didn't I see that?
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Dr Adequate
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Re: Lock down
So it is essentially a state of martial law? No, 'cos that would be something different, such as martial law.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 117 of 152 (696926)
04-19-2013 2:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 115 by Phat
04-19-2013 2:38 PM
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Re: Lock down
Somewhere I read that the contrast between the US and most of our ideological adversaries in general is that while we highly value human life, we are unafraid to throw money at a problem. We would never wish to lose even 1-or 2 soldiers lives, but we can build a multi million drone. The adversary, OTOH, places less value on sacrifice of human life and is unable(or unwilling) to spend large amounts of money to fight us. In essence its about our money versus their people. Seems to be working so far.
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