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CRR
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Message 901 of 1352 (809206)
05-17-2017 2:41 AM
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05-16-2017 9:59 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
The first thing I noticed about this occurrence is that nothing has been published since the 1960's

Except for;
Bernard, S. et al., Exceptional preservation of fossil plant spores in high-pressure metamorphic rocks, Earth and Planetary Science Letters 262(1–2):257–272, 2007


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Message 902 of 1352 (809207)
05-17-2017 3:02 AM
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05-17-2017 2:41 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Except that Bernard et al's experiment produced a different result to what occurred naturally, and is therefore correctly ignored, when it comes to studying the position. So edge's point still stands.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 903 of 1352 (809262)
05-17-2017 2:03 PM
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Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Which has nothing to do with Burdick's claims that the pollen indicates a young Earth..
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Message 904 of 1352 (809269)
05-17-2017 4:14 PM
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05-17-2017 2:41 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Except for;
Bernard, S. et al., Exceptional preservation of fossil plant spores in high-pressure metamorphic rocks, Earth and Planetary Science Letters 262(1–2):257– 272, 2007

Yes, these are Triassic rocks, and they are carbonates, very much unlike the Roraima rocks in question, in both composition and age.

They were also subjected to what we call high-pressure metamorphism which is not the same as high-temperature metamorphism. Their maximum temperature was probably about 360C. The Roraima rocks were probably subjected to higher temperatures since biotite is a specified component.

And I assure you that they look nothing like the pollen found in either the Hakatai shale or the Roraima rocks.

Nevertheless, if you look closely at my post, I mentioned that such remains are thought to be destroyed by high-grade metamorphism (not that they are) and this is confirmed in the abstract of your cited paper. It is clear that some fossils do survive such metamorphism which only raises another question for you.

What happened to the macrofossils of the flowering plants that produced the Precambrian pollen? Where we see the accepted occurrences of pollen fossils in more recent rocks, we also find things like leaves, branches and root systems. Where are they in the Roraima rocks?

So, is this the only beef you have with my post?


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Message 905 of 1352 (809332)
05-17-2017 8:11 PM
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05-16-2017 12:18 PM


Re: I always answer, 'Just ask Jesus'
Not kidding edge, evolutionists force evolution on students and will try and flunk them if they dont adhere to the doctrine of luck and chance.

Well, yes, I'd probably give them a low grade if they adhered to the "doctrine of luck and chance." That would show that they have no understanding of evolution or science.

In UNiversity, they do not allow questions to be asked about evolution and its unproven science, as it is deemed a GIVEN.

Nonsense. The problem is that they do not like the answers to their questions and begin to disrupt the classroom.

No one as HEREIN as well is allowed to bring up topics that disagree with evolution.

Then exactly what are you doing here?

Evolutionists get very upset about answering queries and just say questioners dont understand, rather than evolutionists trying to explain their unproven theories logically.

Again, nonsense.

We repeatedly to answer YEC questions. They just don't like the answers and start to get preachy and insulting.

They can;t and so get rather upset.... and subjective.

We get bored and dismissive, yes. And justifiably so.
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Message 906 of 1352 (809360)
05-18-2017 12:14 AM
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05-16-2017 12:53 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Hi Faith,

Faith writes:

ICANT I don't care about who thought what when. What I argue here is my own understanding of what the Flood would have done based on my own observations.; I don't care who came up with what theory.

Then why did you read from a lot of YEC sites?
You already had your observations.

Is there anywhere in your observations that you can point me to how the material for all the gas, oil, and natural gas as well as the coal got buried in the earth and some under as much as 5 miles of rock.

Could you also explain to me where the material to form 3+ trillion barrels of oil came from?

while you are examining your observations you might as well throw in enough material to form the coal, and natural gas while you are at it.

It takes 98 tons of material to produce 1 gallon of gasoline and 1 barrel of crude oil will produce about 20 gallons of gas and 11 gallons of diesel and heating oil.

It would take 1,960 tons of material just to make the gas in 1 barrel of crude oil. That means to make the other 22 gallons of liquid would require more material. But I will just use the gas for brevity.

1,960 * 3,000,000,000,000 = 5,880,000,000,000,000 tons of material required to make just the gasoline. All the coal, natural gas, and ultra-low sulfur distillate fuel oil, and bunker c oil would all require at least as much if not more material.

According to aig there was enough material on earth and floating forests on the oceans to produce all the worlds coal. https://answersingenesis.org/...how-did-we-get-all-this-coal

If their theory that most of the ocean was inhabited by floating forests all the material would be required to make the coal. That would leave nothing to produce the crude oil.

So your young earth creation does not match the observations.
PS their floating forests is a pipe dream as there is no evidence for such to exist.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 907 of 1352 (809385)
05-18-2017 9:44 AM
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05-18-2017 12:14 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
ICANT you seem to be going on about other people's theories, not mine.
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Message 908 of 1352 (809517)
05-18-2017 5:51 PM
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05-18-2017 9:44 AM


Re: The Flood Explains ... most things geological
Hi Faith,

Faith writes:

ICANT you seem to be going on about other people's theories, not mine.

Are you stating you don't believe in a catastrophic great upheaval of earth and water that happened during the flood making all the strata we find in the earth while placing all the fossils in those strata and laying down all the coal we have?

If that is not what you preach would you lay out exactly what you do believe?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 909 of 1352 (809669)
05-20-2017 9:39 AM


Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
HEREIN somebody tried to quote Leonardi DaVinci explanations of the Flood as impossible.

How in heaven and hell can anyone HERE write about Leonardo DaVinci when he was a mathematician and evolutionists hate mathematics as they have none. Leonardi knew the design of the human body. he knew PHI and the Golden Section. He was a Grand Master of the Illuminati, and knew DESIGN..... and geometry learned in the mystery schols as mentioned)

But Leonardo was not a Christian and no expert on the Flood,
It was not rain, but mainly the depths of the Earth were opened up and water came upward, and the flood afterwards descended back into the depths and receeded...

Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, but
thats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded

(SEE GRAND CANYON thread...

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/HistoricalDatesProphesied.html

IHS

David


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me is against the rules of civil debate, ) at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 )but this board says there are no rules concerning languageits HERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments. And amazingly I got suspended and not him.
.

CatsEye responds after being prtotected by Percy, by saying... Author: New Cat's Eye
Message: 601
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Topic: Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0

ABE: Whoops, not a discussion thread. Content hidden, peak to read.

Kiss My Ass, and Fuck you, I can write whatever I fucking want
to their opposition, just because they are frustrated and losing a debate.

Ha! That's a lie.

When Cats Eye states.
Fuck you, kiss my Ass
to me, it is not civil nor respectful...

You don't deserve respect.

And are you gonna cry all day, crybaby?

Evolutionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.


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Message 910 of 1352 (809673)
05-20-2017 9:50 AM
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05-20-2017 9:39 AM


Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
A post that truly speaks for itself:

HEREIN somebody tried to quote Leonardi DaVinci explanations of the Flood as impossible.
How in heaven and hell can anyone HERE write about Leonardo DaVinci when he was a mathematician and evolutionists hate mathematics as they have none. Leonardi knew the design of the human body. he knew PHI and the Golden Section. He was a Grand Master of the Illuminati, and knew DESIGN..... and geometry learned in the mystery schols as mentioned)

But Leonardo was not a Christian and no expert on the Flood,
It was not rain, but mainly the depths of the Earth were opened up and water came upward, and the flood afterwards descended back into the depths and receeded...

Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, but
thats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded

(SEE GRAND CANYON thread...

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/HistoricalDatesProphesied.html
IHS

David

And warrants no coherent response...

Want to try again?


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Davidjay
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Message 911 of 1352 (809674)
05-20-2017 9:53 AM
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05-20-2017 9:50 AM


Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
More harassment and no answer because evolutionists dont know about Gensis and the Flood and where the waters came from or where they went.... they are unread and ignorant.

As for DaVinci, of course evolutionists are speechless and brainless about his history, and his knowledge and his education and his mistake concerning the Flood. DaVinci was not a Christian and did not study genesis, only the shells on the tops of mountains..

Dumb evolutionists dont know answers and refuse to study or researxh. They are one liners and deniers..... dumb as the bones they manipulate for their artists conceptions.


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning language, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as there are no language rules HERE and it can be part of my signature....... and shouldnt offend anyone.

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Message 912 of 1352 (809675)
05-20-2017 9:53 AM
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05-20-2017 9:50 AM


Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
What so funny about the fools that believe in a Biblical Flood is that the magic flood even placed the shells INSIDE rocks and not just on the rocks.

No honest and sane person today can believe there was some Biblical flood.


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Message 913 of 1352 (809677)
05-20-2017 10:06 AM
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Re: Leonardo DaVinci.. the Grand Master, Phi and Flood into depths
No sane person believes there wasnt a flood, Darwin admitted it from observations, Veioksky admitted it in his travels.. All true observers note this catastrophic event, even if non scientific types like evolutionists deny it

Darwin admits Catastrophic Events
like 'The FLOOD'

Amazingly, Charles Darwin who invented the 'Theory of Evolution' had to admit that what he saw in his travels and
studies indicated a catastrophic event that changed the face of the Earth. And even though his geological bible was Lyell's
insane Theory of Uniformity or 'no cataclysmic changes ever happened. He did state the following in admitting that a
worldwide flood and a dividing of the earth could have caused all the resulting fossils find that have been discovered
worldwide.

But let's check it out from Darwin's own words with mine in parenthesis______ (..).

*****************************************************

It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly
it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races.
(Exactly as the water layer above the Earth caused a green house effect below and moderated temperatures causing
Garden of Eden conditions and an explosion of plant and animal life before the Flood. SEE Worldwide Flood and Noah's
Ark)

The greater number, if not all of these extinct quadrupeds lived at a late period and were the contemporaries of most of
the sea shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What then
exterminated so many species and genera ? (Notice that Darwin just can't explain the annihilation of so many plants and
animals all at once, according to the theory of uniformity. Something cataclysmic happened in the past that created the
fossil record that shows devastation …. The Flood and the Dividing of the Earth SEE Earth Division in the Days of Peleg)

The mind is first irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great CATASTROPHE: but thus to destroy animals both
small and large, in southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to the Bering Straits,
WE MUST SHAKE THE ENTIRE FRAMEWORK OF THE GLOBE" (And that's exactly what the Lord did, although
Darwin and all his evolutionary scientists afterwards have continued to fight the obvious and the rational fossil record
evidence)

For Darwin goes on to say "No lesser event could have brought about this wholesale DESTRUCTION, not only in the
America's but in the ENTIRE WORLD. (because the Flood of Noah was not a local flood but a worldwide FLOOD of
catastrophic proportions) It could have hardly been a change of temperature, which at about the same time destroyed the
inhabitants of tropical temperate and artic latitudes on both sides of the globe. (So here Darwin is ruling out the insanity
of a slow onslaught of an Ice Age, but concluding it had to have occurred worldwide quickly and cataclysmically and not
over eons of time as evolutionists are so prone to suggest)

No one will imagine that a drought …could destroy every individual of every species from Southern Patagonia to the
Bering Straits. (How in the world is Darwin and the evolutionists in the future ever going to explain the fossil record and
this massive destruction unless they just overlook it. They won't be able to tell them it was a drought, a temperature
change. What will Darwin think up to explain such irrefutable evidence that he has seen first hand in his journey's?)

What shall we say of the extinction of the horse ? Did those plains fail of pasture ?
(Darwin concluded ---) Certainly, no FACT in the long history of the world is so startling as the wide and repeated
extermination of its inhabitants" (which Christians rightly call God's Judgments)

****************************************

So let's stop this insanity that no cataclysmic events have ever occurred here on Earth, and pretend that 'all things
continue' as they always have from the beginning of some nice sweet Big Bang explosion that just happened by accident to
create everything in perfect harmony. The Uniformity theory is just as 'bogus' and unscientific as the theory of evolution
which is built upon it's back, and Darwin admitted cataclysmic change, and true scientists know it happened, and yet the
devoid evolutionists try to evade this fact and forget it, and become willingly ignorant of True Science and the fossil record
and our TRUE HISTORY.

And this isn't 'In My Opinion'
but according to the RECORD

David Jay Jordan

Quotes directly from Charles Darwin's,
Journal of Researches into the Natural
History and geology of countries Visited
during the Voyage of H.M.S. Beagle Round
the World under the date of January 9, 1834.

NO hyperlinks to your articles Jar, never thought about the Flood before or researched it, now back to DaVinci that evolutionists never studied as they dont know history or the personages involved much less Jesus who testified there was a flood and NOah..


Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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Message 914 of 1352 (809678)
05-20-2017 10:07 AM


Eolutionists have no arrows in their quills, and no connected neurons in their brains and no experiences in thier histories, and dont ask the God of wisdom for WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.... and so can only post one line denials.

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

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Message 915 of 1352 (809680)
05-20-2017 10:16 AM
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Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
Eolutionists have no arrows in their quills, and no connected neurons in their brains and no experiences in thier histories, and dont ask the God of wisdom for WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.... and so can only post one line denials.

And you have still not addressed the evidence I posted to you over a month ago from my own archaeological research, even though I've prodded you a dozen times or more.

The reason: you have no answers to that evidence. Only bluster, bombast, bragging and bullshit.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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