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Kansas State School Board At It Once Again

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Message 8 of 136 (189016)
02-27-2005 8:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Demosthenes Fan
02-27-2005 1:56 PM

It's even worse since I understand the Legislature is once again introducing an anti-evolution bill as well. In addition we can expect additional attacks at the National level, most likely through stealth legislation, amendments attached to unrelated bills.
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Message 20 of 136 (189648)
03-02-2005 12:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 19 by Monk
03-01-2005 11:47 PM

Well, they gave up on the idea of a trial.
Instead they are asking for experts to prepare written statements. They are asking for responses to eight questions:
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Subcommittee wants questions addressed in papers
1. Discuss your understanding of the definition of science, particularly with reference to the majority and minority definitions.
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2. Discuss your understanding of a hypothesis and theory, particularly with regard to evolution and how an individual hypothesis and theory is used and supported and what happens when competing hypotheses and theories are at odds.
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3. Discuss the idea that the best scientific inquiry is performed in the fashion of empirical science, that is, observable, measurable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable.
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4. Discuss the scientific evidence concerning the idea that natural selection and/or mutations produce speciation.
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5. Discuss the scientific evidence concerning the idea that there is a common biological ancestor.
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6. Discuss the scientific evidence concerning the idea of what can falsify the Theory of Biological Evolution, particularly how radiometric dating and the fossil record interacts with the idea of falsification.
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7. Discuss the idea that students (after moving from concrete thinking and being able to think in the abstract) should be able to explain, in scientific terms, the philosophy of science and various theories of science, as well as various scientific criticisms.
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8. U.S. education, particularly with regard to mathematics and science, has been criticized for being a mile wide and an inch deep and thus not promoting critical thinking and/or problem-solving skills. With regard to science education, is this a valid concern? Discuss the idea of how teachers need to or need not address this situation.
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IMHO the questions are great but the response to each question would take a complete book. If they do get some great responses though I believe the responses themself would make a great text and cover much if not most of the course material for a highschool science class.
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Message 26 of 136 (189665)
03-02-2005 2:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
03-02-2005 2:06 PM

Re: What is the intention of the questions..
ned writes:
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How much time is allowed for preparting the submissions?
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No where near enough given the scope of the questions. They plan to make a decision before June.
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Abrams said the process was needed to gather more information before the board in June enacts science standards that will be used as the basis for statewide science testing in public schools.
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They may honestly be trying to inform themselves.
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I doubt it given this response from one of the three meber (all anti-evolution) that will evaluate the responses.
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"Nothing's on trial, except maybe evolution," said Kathy Martin, one of the three board members -- all conservative -- who will hear the evidence.
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The conservative, anti-evolution/pro-ID faction holds a 6-4 majority on the full committee and complete control of the sub-committee.
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Message 50 of 136 (200460)
04-19-2005 5:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 45 by commike37
04-19-2005 4:30 PM

What exactly is wrong with introducing the other side of the debate?
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Well first, there is not yet a debate. There are not even other theories, just wild speculation.
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I have no problem seeing Creationism or ID brought up in a philosophy class, or even as examples in a science class to show the difference between unfounded speculation and Science.
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If and when someone from either group actually develops a theory that has any real form or can be supported by any evidence, then I believe that debate can be started. But as things stand now there is absolutely nothing to debate regarding either ID or Creationism.
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Message 64 of 136 (201393)
04-23-2005 9:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
04-23-2005 8:47 AM

Re: Kathy Martin speaks
Well, I happen to believe that Theology should be taught in the classroom. I'd go so far as to say that Sacred Studies should be one of the continuing mandatory subjects from at least the First Form on.
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A good Sacred Studies section would include the many Judaeo sects as well as a large dose of all the other variations. It should include grounding in the Mythos as well as secular/philosophic contributions.
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That would be a great place to introduce ID and Creationist theories. The wealth of information and ideas, the sheer beauty of some of the creation tales is worthwhile knowledge.
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Message 66 of 136 (201400)
04-23-2005 10:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 65 by PaulK
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Re: Kathy Martin speaks
I agree. That is why I say it should be a seperate study area, Sacred Studies. I cannot imagine anyone who is well grounded in Sacred Studies would ever mix the two areas of searching and knowledge.
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It's interesting that when I ask many supporting ID or Creationism if they have read the Bible, the works of Mencius, writings of Confucious, various philosophers, Greek and other Mythology, Lao Zi, the Eight Fold Path and other of the most basic Theological and Moral works man has created, I invariably either get no answer or a response that "The others don't matter". If they are ignorant of the basis for beliefs, how can we expect them to make reasonable judgements or take reasonable actions?
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05-08-2005 11:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 83 by tsig
05-08-2005 3:33 AM

Re: Versions
Come on over to Message 1 where I answer that in depth.
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Message 131 of 136 (216920)
06-14-2005 7:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 128 by EZscience
06-14-2005 4:01 PM

Re: Connie Morris: Evolution a 'fairy tale'
It's sad but not unexpected. Ignorance is comforting. And her position, that of the board panel in general, can only be described as ignorant and pathetic.
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