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Author Topic:   Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him)
simple 
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Message 42 of 180 (311590)
05-12-2006 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dan Carroll
06-28-2004 1:34 PM


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So God's willing to take an active, murderous (or at least manslaughterous) hand in the fate of America because of our attitude toward homosexuals, but he won't whistle up a storm cloud or two to send everybody home when we come out to say "gays are ok"? I mean, c'mon... as far as discouraging people goes, there's a reason the phrase "rain on their parade" is a classic.
God rained on Sodom. Your opinion is at odds with His there. There may come a time for direct judgement, but I think what is now happeneing there is this. God withdraws His protection, and bad things happen. He allows it, in that He can't cover them with His wings of protection, because they placed themselves in a position of disobedience.
If a parent sees a teen move to another city, against his will, how can he prevent bad things from happening, to the same extent as if they were closer, and in the right spirit?

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Message 49 of 180 (311689)
05-13-2006 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Coragyps
05-12-2006 11:15 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
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And don't forget the Galveston hurricane of 1900. That killed five times as many people, and they hadn't even invented cars for kids to fornicate in the back seats of yet.
It is a question of degrees. Look at the situation today, is it not a higher degree? I don't believe God is responsible for most natural disasters! But He can protect us if we look to Him. There was good and bad the last century as well. But look at all the good He allowed to happen for the US! They were able to be get bibles and missionaries all over the place, and prospered as a result. I don't know what your problem is with sex either. That was the first commandment. Be fruitful-something, incidentilly men of Sodom could not be.

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simple 
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Message 51 of 180 (311860)
05-15-2006 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Coragyps
05-12-2006 11:03 PM


Re: Fallwell Wrong: Lysimachus Right
There is a difference between ordering nukes dropped on 5 cities, and someone who slaps another person. You could say they are bth wrong. It is a question of degree. Obeying eating guidelines from the old testament is different than cannibalism or homosexuality. There is a difference. A big one. Really.

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Message 63 of 180 (312030)
05-15-2006 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Coragyps
05-15-2006 8:12 AM


Re: Fallwell Wrong: Lysimachus Right
We are not to destroy cities now, we are to preach the gospel. Anyone using nukes is out of the will of God, I would say. Even having them.
There are degrees od sin. If I eat something unclean, it might be a sin, it might not be. We now have the authority to clean things up by praying over it, if you read the new testament.
Eating ham set before us, that we pray over, is no sin at all, forget 'abomination'! Destroying the earth, and mass murder is a great sin.

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Message 64 of 180 (312031)
05-15-2006 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by ramoss
05-15-2006 7:13 AM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Who ripped off the faithful? If you refer to the sins of the US, yes, they are chief among sinners. But when you send out the gospel light, God blesses, despite our sins. But these days the US can't even teach it's own kids, forget the rest of the world.

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simple 
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Message 71 of 180 (312241)
05-15-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by nator
05-15-2006 9:04 AM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Yes we are in the end times. The very end, as the bible clearly says cannot come before that man of sin, the antichrist comes. Then we are in the last few years.
As for the death in the world, that is a result of sin. Don't blame God for most of it. If He needs to judge, there is a good reason for the good of mankind for it. Seems like an undercurrent of hate for God in this forum.

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Message 72 of 180 (312243)
05-15-2006 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by CK
05-15-2006 7:15 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Perhaps some were so abused of the selfish rich countries, they were better off in heaven. Love and laughter, and plenty everafter.

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Message 73 of 180 (312245)
05-15-2006 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-15-2006 7:12 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Christians helped the natives, not like the greedy traders, and whiskey sellers. A lot of the native death also came in disease from afar. Amazing how you are allowed to spit out silly false allegations here.

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simple 
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Message 74 of 180 (312247)
05-15-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by ramoss
05-15-2006 2:53 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Some of them maybe, so what? If we give to God in good concience we are never ripped off, we get a blessing for it.

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Message 90 of 180 (312908)
05-17-2006 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by nator
05-17-2006 1:36 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
The amount of people who die are not the test or indicator of when the end is. Here are a few for you, that no one has ever seen since Jesus' day, that are genuine indicators that the time is here, and well in progress. The Antichrist as a world leader, and the animals sacrifices of the Jews resumed.
Edited by whisper, : No reason given.

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simple 
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Message 91 of 180 (312909)
05-17-2006 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ramoss
05-17-2006 2:56 PM


We believers will never die, or taste death. The passing of our mortal bodies is merely, like a butterfly, a stage we go through. He could not have been talking about us. Here is a hint, there were also some Pharisees standing there, if memory serves.

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simple 
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Message 94 of 180 (312932)
05-17-2006 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by CK
05-17-2006 3:26 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
I have no Idea. When he is revealed, believers will recognize him by several traits. --Like invading Jerusalem, and a 7 year covenant, setting up an image, making all by law get (likely) an chip implant to replace money, and stopping the animal sacrifices of the Jews that start again. I could get fancy, but that should cover it.

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simple 
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Message 112 of 180 (313362)
05-18-2006 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by ramoss
05-18-2006 9:56 AM


We have been in the end time since Jesus' day. But there is a special final period of several years that many refer to with similar wording. That is the last years of man's reign when all things will be fulfilled, and the antichrist comes.

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simple 
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Message 115 of 180 (313390)
05-18-2006 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Coragyps
05-18-2006 10:37 PM


Ha. Well, that ought to encourage you to have some grip on the bible yourself, so you'd have known what the score was in a heartbeat.

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Message 116 of 180 (313391)
05-18-2006 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by ramoss
05-18-2006 10:24 PM


No, they are precise. For example, the antichrist will stop the daily animal sacrifices of the Jews. When we see them, be aware the times are here.

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