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Author Topic:   Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him)
Brian
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Message 133 of 180 (315565)
05-27-2006 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by simple
05-26-2006 12:25 AM


Jesus the Destroyer
Christian missionaries never mass murdered anyone that I ever heard of. Nor did Jesus.
Come Judgement Day, who will decide who goes to Heaven and Who goes to Hell?
Jesus also killed every living thing on the planet except for 8 people on an ark and some animals.
Jesus also murdered innocent Egyptian children after He had made sure that pharaoh was incapable of agreeing to let the Israelites leave Egypt.
Also, in one of the most hilarious verses in the Bible, Jesus ordered the murder of 185 000 Assyrians.
2 Kings 19:35
And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
I still chuckle at people wakening up in the morning and finding themselves dead
But Jesus (God) was a bloodthirtsy barbarian.
Brian.

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 137 of 180 (315722)
05-28-2006 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by simple
05-28-2006 1:52 AM


A king can kill whoever he wants to...
We will! We decide that as we speak.
So, there is really no need for Jesus to judge anyone?
He had to, the monkey bangers were wicked beyond all speaking.
How do you know this?
Anyway, God Himself acknowledged that the Flood was an over-reaction; you think He would have seen it coming.
The Pharoh was quite capable of letting His people go. His own wicked mouth decided his judgement.
This is incorrect.
The Bible explicitly states that God made it impossible for pharaoh to let the Israelites so that Yahweh could show off.
Exod. 7:3-5
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. And the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it."
Exod 9:12
12 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.
This one has Yahweh happily announcing that He is desperate to slaughter Egyptians to quench His thirst for blood.
Exod. 10:1
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them
Exod. 11:10
Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.
There are a few more verses supporting Yahweh hardening pharaoh’s heart, it is extremely obvious that this is what the Bible says, even Paul acknowledges it in the NT Book of Romans.
Romans 9:17-18
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Enemies of God and His people.
Love your enemies.
It is amazing how one can develop a mindset that will allow that person to justify anything, no matter how abhorrent, and help maintain their fantasy.
That is a lie.
The Bible must lie then because that is where I got my examples.
He desires not the death of the wicked, and takes no pleasure in it.
How do you know this?
I would suggest that Bible implies otherwise as God frequently took pleasure from the odour of burnt offerings.
Sometimes it has to be done for the preservation of mankind, and His wonderful eternal plan for man.
So, we have to slaughter almost all of mankind in order to save mankind? This seems a bit illogical to me.
You would think that a perfect being such as Yahweh would be a little more competent.
If He let the wicked wreck it up, we all would be doomed.
Don’t worry about it mate, it is only an ancient camp fire side tale made up to scare little children.
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4989 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 139 of 180 (315799)
05-28-2006 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by CK
05-28-2006 5:29 AM


Just another example...
Where is the free will in this?
I think this is just another example of how the free will defence is intensely flawed, but more so, it is another obvious example of how the Bible is a man made book, complete with human flaws.
The Bible is much like other ancient texts, the authors were not writing a critical history of anything, they were writing up a propaganda brochure.
There are so many examples of the Bible authors writing up ludicrous scenarios that it is difficult to pick out the craziest. A couple of examples that come quickly to mind is when the 2 midwives are ordered by pharaoh to kill all the male Israelite babies when they are born, their reply to pharaoh is that all the Hebrew women are so hardy that they give birth before the midwives arrive!
The author of that text was too dense to realise that the pahraoh's immediate reply would have been to say "so why do you have midwives then?"
Another one is Samson killing a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an ass. Any semi conscious general would have called up the archers after Samson had killed 4 or 5 soldiers.
Great book, but not to be taken too seriously.
Brian.

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