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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If it's consensual, it isn't slavery.
Prove that one. Jesus changes many things in Leviticus, but keeps some, one of them being sexual immorality being against God's will. Sexual immorality as described in Leviticus.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What goes in your mouth is food. What comes out is words. He was talking about food, when he was explaining about what goes in.
Righteousness is not only found in fellowship.You are a slave to sin, until you are a slave to righteousness. Righteousness is doing things God's way, which includes how you behave in fellowship. There is no extension of sexual restrictions. Jesus cleary states that sexual immorality is still wrong. Several times in the NT.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No kidding, thanks for the useless update.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
He was talking about food, when he was explaining about what goes in. Well, yes, but he's using that as an allusion to Levitical law. He's saying that righteousness isn't about how well you follow every little Levitical detail, it's about how you treat your fellow person - with kind words or with opprobrium.
Jesus cleary states that sexual immorality is still wrong. Several times in the NT. No, what he states - if you're able to percieve his greater point - is that righteousness is found in how you keep your human relationships, including sexual ones. It's about how you treat your sexual partners, not following a bunch of silly rules about what positions you can take or what you can suck on. It's analogy, RR. It's pretty simple. Jesus is telling you how to live, how to conduct yourself within a human community, not what parts you can and can't put together. What a stupid Bible that would be - what would be the use of such a micromanaging savior?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No, what he states - if you're able to percieve his greater point
I recieved his greater point, thats why I understand what he says, when he speaks clearly that sexual immorality is not ok. He includes with things like: Mark 7:21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, Romans 13:13Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Sexual Immorality 12"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. There are many more.You have picked and choosen what you think is right, even though it is as clear as a bell. You do this also with my words, and even though I have stated clearly many times about things, you still try to accuse me of them.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You have picked and choosen what you think is right, even though it is as clear as a bell. No, I've read the Bible, and read Jesus's words. They're plain as day, and they don't say anything like what you say they do.
You do this also with my words, All I can do is read your words as you write them. If I seem to be responding to points you're not making, then you need to stop and write a little clearer. I'm not distorting your messages in the least; I'm simply responding to your points as you've written them. If your writing isn't precise enough to get your point across, learn to be a better writer.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No, I've read the Bible, and read Jesus's words. They're plain as day, and they don't say anything like what you say they do.
I didn't say anything, I quoted the bible.
All I can do is read your words as you write them. If I seem to be responding to points you're not making, then you need to stop and write a little clearer. I'm not distorting your messages in the least; I'm simply responding to your points as you've written them. If your writing isn't precise enough to get your point across, learn to be a better writer.
Thats bull, because even though I clarify myself many times, you still accuse me of things. I could understand if you didn't get it the first time I wrote it, but the 5th?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I didn't say anything, I quoted the bible. I know, which is what makes it so tragic - even after years of study, you can quote from memory - but you still don't understand the words. It's as plain as day but you still miss it, somehow, because you can't see past your own nature, your own hate.
Thats bull, because even though I clarify myself many times, you still accuse me of things. I could understand if you didn't get it the first time I wrote it, but the 5th? What on Earth have I ever "accused" you of, besides misunderstanding the words of Jesus?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What on Earth have I ever "accused" you of, besides misunderstanding the words of Jesus?
I will tell you the same ting I told rhain. If I prove that you have tried to repeatdly accuse me of things for which I have clarified in this thread, and others that you are involve in many times, will you leave the forum? I am not going to waste my time and go back and put it all together so you can see. All you have to do is read the wholes thread, and you will see what you have done.
I know, which is what makes it so tragic - even after years of study, you can quote from memory - but you still don't understand the words. It's as plain as day but you still miss it, somehow, because you can't see past your own nature, your own hate.
Prove me wrong by using the bible.Whats so hard to understand about Jesus being against sexual immorality? Tell me you don't agree with that.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I am not going to waste my time and go back and put it all together so you can see. You mean you're not going to substantiate claims that you have made? That's not very honest, RR.
Whats so hard to understand about Jesus being against sexual immorality? What's hard to understand is why you have such a perverted idea of what constitutes "sexual immorality." It's as clear as day that Jesus is referring to things like adultery and other things that are hurtful to your sexual partners. He's not referring to getting a little friendly oral from the missus. How could loving, reciprocal, enjoyable sexual relations be immoral? God doesn't care which position you take or what you put where. He cares about how you're treating the person you're doing it with. The way you're interpreting it simply displays a juvenile fixation on how people have sex, which is infinitely less important - you'll discover - than their relationship with the person they're doing it with.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Actually, you know what? I'll take you up on this:
If I prove that you have tried to repeatdly accuse me of things for which I have clarified in this thread, and others that you are involve in many times, will you leave the forum? Two caveats: a) I get to decide if you've substantiated your claim or not, and b) if you fail to do so, you're the one that has to leave. Agreed?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
marriage is called fornication and sin according to scripture. Sex within marriage is meant to be a holy event. By holy I mean the angels are allowed to watch when a man and woman love each other. So, while they are watching, sucking on is probably not ideal.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
are you familiar with the scripture that encourages to avoid those who perplex your spirit? When it goes round and round and round, let go of the tail in front of you and watch the round dissolve.
God bless!
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
is denounced in scripture. Do I hear an 'Amen'?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I have already proven that Jesus was against sexual immorality, as described in Leviticus. Once again you are mistaken. You know, this thread is really funny. You can't make one single post without contradicting yourself. You say your belief is not based on religion then you bring in the Bible. You make the silly statement quoted above and then when I point out to you that the proscription on cutting your hair is from Leviticus you say:
Jesus changes all that for us, and showed us what is really important in life. In another post you say that gays want you to consider their marriage legit when in reality, gays really don't give a damn what you think. Nobody gives a damn what you think. They just want you and others like you to stop discriminating against them. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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