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ringo
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Message 316 of 363 (811595)
06-09-2017 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by NoNukes
06-08-2017 6:14 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
NoNukes writes:

Evil requires intention, although the intention may not be to do evil.


Don't lose the context. We're talking about God here. Did God not know that parasitic worms would eat children's eyes?

NoNukes writes:

In your view, is a cheetah killing a gazelle evil?


No more so than a bunny eating a carrot is evil. But on the other hand, if somebody created a system which requires gazelles and carrots to suffer, that might be construed as evil.
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Davidjay 
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Message 317 of 363 (811607)
06-09-2017 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by ringo
06-09-2017 11:45 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
To whom it may concern....

The Lord giveth life and giveth the means to heal and sustain life...and yet the heathen complain and blame God. This even though the heathen or complainers seldom if ever try to do anything with their lives to alleviate the problems of this world or the diseases of this world or the suffering of this world.

If they do, then they would be obeying the Lord in helping others, and would be blessed for it (SEE Doctors without borders etc etc etc etc etc etc.. anyone can volunteer and help others..anyone).

But blaming God is what complainers and the heathen do best. They think their arrogance in doing so, elevates them beyond the Lords Hand and justice system, such is not the case, as all get what they deserve in the HERE or in the HEREAFTER.

No one mocks the Lord and gets away with it.. no one as in no one.

Calling the Lord of love and life evil...... is intentional and can be evil. Watch out evolutionists and atheists...

The Lord is not mocked... if dumb enough, test it out and SEE what the Lord can and has done and will do if provoked. Have some respect rather than blatant nasty disrespect.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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NoNukes
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Message 318 of 363 (811609)
06-09-2017 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by ringo
06-09-2017 11:45 AM


Re: Re-Trinity
if somebody created a system which requires gazelles and carrots to suffer, that might be construed as evil.

"Might be construed..."

Not going to debate statements like that.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith

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Davidjay 
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Message 319 of 363 (811613)
06-09-2017 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by NoNukes
06-09-2017 2:35 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
No, better not to touch a short sentence and its logic or dislodged statements... better to take the whole thought of more than one sentence and decipher what the yeck they are saying.

Besides they tend to say you misrepresent everything they say, whether one sentence or even another sentence of clarifcation before their attention span comes to an end.

Whatever in my opinion, not trying to misrepresent anything or anyone, it seems whenever a person tries to say that a supreme being makes people and animals suffer, it usually is their attempt to elevate themselves into a supreme being who would not make people and animals and carrots suffer. This even though they haven't created anything nor usually tried to prevent suffering in literal ways. Usually such rhetoric, is just a type of trying to blame "God".

So just let it pass as they have a thousand reasons in their S.R. that encourages them to complain and deny.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 320 of 363 (811671)
06-10-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 318 by NoNukes
06-09-2017 2:35 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
NoNukes writes:

"Might be construed..."

Not going to debate statements like that.


The ONLY time to debate something is when it isn't black-and-white.
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ringo
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Message 321 of 363 (811672)
06-10-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Davidjay
06-09-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
Davidjay writes:

... the heathen or complainers seldom if ever try to do anything with their lives to alleviate the problems of this world or the diseases of this world or the suffering of this world.


The fact is that the heathen are as good or better at alleviating the suffering of this world.

Davidjay writes:

If they do, then they would be obeying the Lord in helping others, and would be blessed for it


So maybe you should stop mocking the people that God is blessing.
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Davidjay 
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Message 322 of 363 (811679)
06-10-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by ringo
06-10-2017 11:42 AM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
God is love and his people have love, and dont sit around and complain about God and complain about creation and complain everything and deny everything, they get out in the real world and do things to alliviate suffering. They dont blame God for suffering they do as Jesus did and heal and touch, and minister to people around the world. They get off their butts and do something and stop their whining and bitcvhing and complaining and arrogancies and harassments.

Gods people are workers not theorists, and deniers.

If some atheists actually put love into their lifes and go out in love (like Doctors without borders) the good and all seeing Lord has and will bless them Now and in the HEREAFTER.

God bless them, now get out there ringo and do something for others rather than your continual negative complaining.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 323 of 363 (811681)
06-10-2017 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Davidjay
06-10-2017 12:03 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Davidjay writes:

Gods people are workers not theorists, and deniers.


The denier here is you, denying the reality of science.
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Phat
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Message 324 of 363 (811699)
06-10-2017 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by ringo
06-10-2017 12:05 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Although to be fair, science is not part of the meaning of the Trinity. Some things cannot be proven or disproven through evidence alone.

To me its all a no-brainer. There is One God. period. His presence is experienced through the Holy Spirit. His character comes through Jesus Christ.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Tangle
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Message 325 of 363 (811701)
06-10-2017 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Phat writes:

To me its all a no-brainer.

Yup.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Davidjay 
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Message 326 of 363 (811708)
06-10-2017 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Do you speak as a moderator or as a member ?

The one mystery almost beyond us is the Mystery of the Trinity. Three in One

Father.Mother, and Son

These three are one....

Nah... I wont give you the dream of the Dancing Bread and three in 1, its too much like casting perals before *****.

Lets say, after reading the deplorable false accussations against me, in the Whiners List, I am just about totally fed up with this censorship and false alignment of this evolution board.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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ringo
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Message 327 of 363 (811747)
06-11-2017 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Phat writes:

Some things cannot be proven or disproven through evidence alone.


Without evidence, they can not be "proven" at all.
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Message 328 of 363 (811816)
06-12-2017 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
There is One God. period. His presence is experienced through the Holy Spirit. His character comes through Jesus Christ.

Phat, if you use a period and then write the word "period" after it, then you're supposed to stop typing after that. If you have additional qualifiers after that, then that is not a period, period.


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Message 329 of 363 (811820)
06-12-2017 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
06-10-2017 5:35 PM


Re: .Gods love eases suffering
Phat writes:

To me its all a no-brainer. There is One God. period.

Yet Christianity declares that there is a Trinity and that the three things are each separate and unique.

There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Three divine persons.

Now Judaism does say there is One God. But not Christianity.

But Wait!!!!!!!!! There's more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are equally valid religious beliefs that there are lots of gods, no gods, gods and kinda gods, human kids of gods and animal gods.

The Trinity in Christianity is called the Great Mystery because, quite honestly, it makes no sense. It is based on almost no Biblical support. It cannot rationally be explained. But it is an article of belief that was created primarily as a political tool to exclude certain power groups and bases.


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Message 330 of 363 (811841)
06-12-2017 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by NoNukes
06-07-2017 4:06 PM


Re: Re-Trinity
NoNukes writes:

How can good and free will both exist without evil, or not good existing? I don't believe such a thing is even possible. The choices then are to create good and evil or to create robots without the potential for doing anything but what they are told to do. Given a choice of a universe to live in, I'd prefer the former.

I don't see how your choices flow from your premises.

Basically, why only the extremes?

Consider a world exactly the same as ours. Except one singular, heinous action simply doesn't exist. Let's pick... stealing children for the intention of putting them in human trafficking operations (sex slave type stuffs).

So, we have a world with just as many options as ours.

You can punch a man in the face.
You can rob a bank.
You can blackmail your neighbor.

You can even go steal a kid for the purposes of hurting the parents and making them suffer.

...just can't put that kid in the sex trade.

One evil removed.

Do we not still have free will?

Is your life changed at all?

Are many lives changed for the better?

What do you choose now? Do you choose the world we have, or the exactly-the-same-as-the-world-we-have-but-no-stolen-children-sex-slaves?

Why the extremes? "All or nothing" certainly is not the only option.


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