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Dave101
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Message 126 of 144 (469515)
06-05-2008 10:33 PM


Why would we want to?
My answer is a question :-) What evidence would a non creationist need to become a creationist? When you talk of evolution it never lessens my amazement to see mature adults, many who have backgrounds in science fall for that trap. A simple question to those who believe in evolution as fact.... What are the steps to an idea becoming fact? Please remember I am speaking in the realm of science not religion (which is what evolution really is, a belief in something that has no physical proof to it). Please bear with me here... I am new at this so if I am off be kind and point me the right way.
This is the short version of steps...
Step one... you have an idea....
Step two... you hypothesize that the idea may hold merit (you think it might have merit and need to do further brainstorming on it)
Step three... After much thought and preliminary study on the subject you come up with what you think is a good THEORY...
This word THEORY is very important because if you cannot prove the theory then you never get to make it into a FACT...
All fields of true science understand this system of thought to fact. If you would pick any subject you can think of and grab that theory and say... "Well, I believe this is true and I have ((Oh, lets say 2 billion people)) convinced that my theory is true, even though I have no real proof other than what looks good on paper so I now say it's a fact... " you would be condemned as a fraud. The scientific community expects proof... (Remember it has only been a few hundred years since science was convinced that the earth was flat and you would be burned at the stake for claiming it was round). This proof is important because too many frauds have tried and caused great problems for science. Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Lucy.... All wrong but for a time spoken of as the gospel in evolutionary circles....
Anyway, what I am getting at it this : Unless a theory can be made FACT then it is nothing more than an idea and it doesn't matter how many believe in it. It doesn't matter that schools teach it and people fight and die over it. It doesn't matter that Billions are thrown at it every year by those who desperately want God to be a myth because if He is real then there will be a day of judgment by Him to those who reject Him and His free gift offered to you. There is a huge exception out there... My friends, many have forgotten something vitally important...
EVOLUTION IS ONLY A THEORY... It does not matter that many teach it as FACT... It is not. After 200 years of theory (BTW it did not start with Darwin) it is still unproven and always will be. There are more chinks in its armor every year, not less.
As I said earlier, evolution has no place in real science. Given the very definition of religion, it must be that evolution is nothing more than that. I have to hand it to you though, it takes a tremendous amount of faith to think that we came from an exploding rock... I do not have that kind of faith. My faith is centered around something tangible, Around something that makes sense, my faith is centered around the fact that we as humans are in trouble. We have messed up everything that God gave us and have done so to the point that we no longer want to believe that He exist event though the heavens declare His handiwork. We turn to man in his flawed glory to try and find a reason to not believe in a moral creator to whom we ultimately will end up answering to should we reject his gift of the blood of the lamb on Calvary's Cross.
So how about a "What If" question... What If... there is a 1 in a million chance that God exists and the Bibie is true... Would you be willing to chance eternity in a lake of fire and separation from your creator just because you don't want Him to be real? What if it were a 1 in a billion chance? One in a trillion? Why are we as a civilization so desperate to make a bad theory like evolution look like fact when if you are honest and go beyond simple statements in textbooks and look at all the things on this planet that could NOT have evolved... (human eye with its rods and cones, etc) The fact that DNA supports a creator (2.5% difference between man and monkey adds up to about 95,000,000 strands of DNA while it only takes 3 (YES THREE) strands of mutated DNA to cause DEATH. The fact that while there are lots of paintings and drawings and even clay and wax representations of transitional fossils, there are not actually any in real life. (my degree is in science, I am not the smartest but I can look beyond the hoopla and see a THEORY, not a FACT.)
For those who say they were a Christian.... Well, guess what, if you WERE, you still ARE. If you were misled then you never were. John is clear when he states "They came out from us but if they were really with us in the first place they would still be with us now) My paraphrase of 1 John 2:19
So my answer to your question "What proof would make a creationist (a true Creationist) turn......? There is none. You don't have any. You never will. For to do so would deny the God who created YOU :-) Not wanting to believe this simple truth does not change the fact that it is truth... Not wanting to believe you are fearfully and wonderfully made doesn't change the fact that you are :-) In many areas of life, friends, the majority are incorrect... evolution is one of these areas. It's not our faults really, we have been indoctrinated in this religion for so long now that we don't think to question it... Too bad, we should.... SO... Remember... Theory, no matter how much taught or believed is not fact and evolution is flawed.. all science sees this, only the evolutionist does not... (after all, there is big bucks in staying with the status quo here... billions in fact...) For me, I remember that Cross at Calvary and the Blood of God dripping off of it...
Ok... you guys have fun rebutting truth :-)
I will pray for you anyway... Many are mad at God, yet know He exists... They just try to hurt Him because of a perceived wrong that is placed on the wrong shoulders... We are always the ones who did the wrong, not God. He did all things right including buying your entrance into his home with His own precious blood. Don't make the mistake of thinking Christianity and science clash, all true science goes perfectly with God... Just "beware of Science falsely so called" 1 timothy 6:20 and 21
... Have a great day!
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added some more blank lines. Indentation does not work here. Please put blank lines between paragraphs and such.

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Dave101
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Message 129 of 144 (469524)
06-05-2008 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Coyote
06-05-2008 10:56 PM


Re: Why would we want to?
That was fast... Have a great time! Don't forget, I claimed that evolution was nothing more than a "religion" all of its own... I wasn't trying to go into great detail on steps which is why I said "the short version". I would challenge you to show me any Science textbook that has withstood time and all attackers as has God's Word. I am sure you could ask me questions that I can't answer but we can have some fun looking for them anyway. Sooner or later one is going to say "Who made God"... So let me answer that one now... I DON'T KNOW but you will get the chance to ask Him one day....

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Dave101
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Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 131 of 144 (469526)
06-05-2008 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by RAZD
06-05-2008 11:01 PM


Re: Why would we want to?
Step one... you are right in science you do start with evidence... evolution is religion :-)
I have to go, its late and I get up for work soon, I will have to answer much tomorrow me thinks :-) Have a great night.... Perhaps there will be one or two that agree at least in part???

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Dave101
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Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 133 of 144 (469529)
06-05-2008 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Nuggin
06-05-2008 11:11 PM


Re: Why would we want to?
HEY!!! Print your diploma.com is great:-) I did say I was just brushing over that did I not? Now be nice to me. Next week you can be mean...

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Dave101
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Message 138 of 144 (469535)
06-05-2008 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Nuggin
06-05-2008 11:11 PM


Re: Why would we want to?
Whoever said that Catholicism and Christianity were the same thing?

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Dave101
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Joined: 06-05-2008


Message 140 of 144 (469537)
06-05-2008 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Nuggin
06-05-2008 11:20 PM


Re: Why would we want to?
BTW I haven't yet been to a creationist website. But maybe I need to go there to find a discussion instead of full frontal attacks by those who don't like it when you step on the toes of their god "Evolution" (MACRO)

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