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Message 183 of 312 (408477)
07-03-2007 12:34 AM

Reply to: Message 181 by IamJoseph
07-02-2007 2:01 AM

Re Sin

Hi Joseph,

In effect, no one in the adam-eve-serpent episode commited a sin

Gene 2:17 (KJV) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God said:"thou shalt not eat of it:"

This man chose to disobey God.

Are you saying that is not sin?

If so I would like your definition of sin.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 196 of 312 (409106)
07-07-2007 11:37 AM

Reply to: Message 184 by IamJoseph
07-03-2007 3:24 AM

Re: Re Sin

Sin applies to the violation of 613 commandments in the OT. The command to Adam is not included here, because it was made to adam in a non-physical realm as per the texts. It is not a command unto humanity.

So are you are saying sin is only a violation of those 613 commandments?

These commandments were given about 3200 years ago so no sin was commited prior to that time. Is this what you are saying?

The 613 commandments you reference was given to the nation of Israel.
Gentiles have never been under those laws.
But if Jesus took the law out of the way nailing it to the cross then no one commits sin today.

Colo 2:14 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

I always thought if God said don't and you did you sinned.

Which would make the first man that disobeyed God the first sinner, having commited the first sin.

The first woman did not commit the first sin as God did not tell her not to eat the fruit.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 198 of 312 (409119)
07-07-2007 1:04 PM

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07-07-2007 12:20 PM

Re: Symbolic Beliefs and the Reality of God

God foreknows who will and will not accept Him. This action (on our part)does not matter.

I agree.

We choose our destiny through our acceptance alone.(unmerited Grace)

I agree.

God exists. We choose our destiny and reconciliation through either acceptance (willful subordination) and/or behavior.

I agree with part. God exists. We choose our destiny and reconciliation through either acceptance. Leave out either it is only by our acceptance.

This part: or behavior. I totaly disagree with.

The first man commited the first sin which separated man from God as God can not have sin in His presence.

An unconditional pardon is offered through the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross of calvary to everyone who will believe God and take Him at His Word.

Hebr 11:6 (KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 240 of 312 (413144)
07-27-2007 8:40 PM

Reply to: Message 235 by Mikael Fivel
07-27-2007 7:00 PM

Re: Symbolic Beliefs and the Reality of God

No, trust me it doesn't. The point of it was for him to figure out what we were capable of. Just like this situation, it was a Positive yeild.

Mikael Fivel, Why would the creator have to figure out what His creation was capable of?

You keep talking about a test I haven't been able to find that yet, I need directions.

I did find:

Gene 2:16 (KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gene 2:17 (KJV) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 243 of 312 (415185)
08-08-2007 5:07 PM

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08-08-2007 3:55 PM

Re: Symbolic Beliefs and the Reality of God

Hi Iname,

You say that the decision to disobey that A&E made was the first sin.

Man did not commit the first sin.

But sinning is an act of volition, so how could A&E's decision have been a sin when they had no understanding that it was wrong

Volition is the study of will, choice, and decision.

Volition has nothing to do with understanding what is right or wrong.
Freewill has nothing to do with understanding what is right or wrong.

Sinning, the act of committing a sin (an act that violates a moral rule)

Sinning - Wikipedia

God specificaly in His words nothing left for the man to interpet told the man.

Gene 2:16 (KJV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The woman did not commit sin when she was begiled by the serpent and ate the fruit.

Man willfuly disobeyed God when he ate the fruit. He made a choice to eat the fruit and die with the woman rather than be left alone with the animals again.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 245 of 312 (415189)
08-08-2007 5:33 PM

Reply to: Message 241 by nina70
08-08-2007 3:20 PM

Re: Symbolic Beliefs and the Reality of God

Welcome to EvC nina,

Although I`m new here, I couldn't miss the obvious: God made us on his image. That doesn't mean shape of a head or teeth but capability to seek for justice, harmony, and above all to use a free will he gave us. That free will was also given to Adam and Eve. They use it as they did, and now we are where we are.

Much has been said in this thread about freewill but in fact it is only used 17 times in the Bible.

16 times concerning freewill offerings.
1 time when Artaxerxes king of Babylon told Ezra that all who in his realm which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

BTW God made us in His image. Body, Mind, and Spirit.

God will allow you to make any choice you desire to make but remember that as with the first man there was consequences for his decision.

There are consequences for the choices you make.

Some choose to not believe in God that is their privilege.

But one day God will exercise his omnipotence and judge man for his choices.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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