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Modulous
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Message 183 of 302 (240232)
09-03-2005 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Chiroptera
09-03-2005 9:54 AM


Re: pidgeon breeding
I've just recently read this part. Darwin's attention to detail can get quite tiresome for casual reading
Read it online here, look for the section head 'On the Breeds of the Domestic pigeon'
Great as the differences are between the breeds of pigeons, I am fully convinced that the common opinion of naturalists is correct, namely, that all have descended from the rock-pigeon (Columba livia), including under this term several geographical races or sub-species, which differ from each other in the most trifling respects. As several of the reasons which have led me to this belief are in some degree applicable in other cases, I will here briefly give them. If the several breeds are not varieties, and have not proceeded from the rock-pigeon, they must have descended from at least seven or eight aboriginal stocks; for it is impossible to make the present domestic breeds by the crossing of any lesser number: how, for instance, could a pouter be produced by crossing two breeds unless one of the parent-stocks possessed the characteristic enormous crop? ....
Hence the supposed aboriginal stocks must either still exist in the countries where they were originally domesticated, and yet be unknown to ornithologists; and this, considering their size, habits, and remarkable characters, seems very improbable; or they must have become extinct in the wild state. But birds breeding on precipices, and good fliers, are unlikely to be exterminated; and the common rock-pigeon, which has the same habits with the domestic breeds, has not been exterminated even on several of the smaller British islets, or on the shores of the Mediterranean. Hence the supposed extermination of so many species having similar habits with the rock-pigeon seems to me a very rash assumption

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Modulous
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Message 295 of 302 (242941)
09-13-2005 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by crashfrog
09-13-2005 8:01 AM


Diversity
Evolution predicts an increase over time of diversity
I'm not sure this is strictly true. I think, to be pedantic, evolution predicts that life with fill out to fill the niches available. Such that, when selection pressure varies from niche to niche (and is on the whole not strong selection) there will be diversity. However when the selection pressure increases, diversity slows down or even decreases. Mammals are predicted to die out, not only due to massive selection pressure from humans, but from natural changes in the environment. I predict that eventually there will be only be single celled life on earth.
It doesn't detract from your central point, but ToE doesn't predict diversity, it is formulated to explain it.

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