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Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
NoNukes
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Message 727 of 936 (811179)
06-05-2017 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 726 by ringo
06-05-2017 11:46 AM


We're not talking about form or strategies for survival here. We're talking about biochemical organization. Why would a designer use only one possibility? Why use DNA at all? For that matter, why use chemistry at all?
What is unimaginative or lazy about using chemistry or DNA?
A designer might very well repeat strategies that work. How does your argument compare to the argument that a designer would not develop vision, flight, or echolocation using different methods? In my opinion, both arguments are fubar. Designers might reuse systems, but they also might create a variety of systems. Why do the vast majority of cars and trucks rely on burning petrol? But then why are some moving systems using natural gas, while others are completely electric?
And why couldn't a designer build some basic prototypes and then allow evolution to fill in the rest? Wouldn't that explain some of the similarities we see?
I think there are ways to question the design choices of the putative ID man, but I don't think questions like why use DNA are very good questions. DNA systems seem to work quite well. Why avoid them?
Here is a goofy question. Why are all living systems biological?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 733 of 936 (811196)
06-05-2017 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 731 by CRR
06-05-2017 6:05 PM


After you've already created the planet and the entire universe? Not much at all
The Bible describes God as resting after his efforts in creation. The connection is explicit.
I know it is popular to assume that God's store of energy is infinite and is never replenished, but that is not what the Bible says.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 750 of 936 (811358)
06-07-2017 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 734 by Faith
06-05-2017 7:59 PM


Re: God needs nothing
Really? Because it says He rested??? But as CRR said, the Sabbath was made for man
Not just that God rested, but that God rested from his efforts.
And the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath is the complete statement. That has nothing at all to do with whether God needed rest. It instead says that man needs the Sabbath.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 752 of 936 (811380)
06-07-2017 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 735 by CRR
06-05-2017 8:17 PM


Re: God rested
As Sarfati says in "the Genesis Account", p283,
Sarfati is the man who will swear to anything. If you've got another source, let me know.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 777 of 936 (813343)
06-26-2017 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 774 by CRR
06-26-2017 6:13 AM


Re: Define the word evolution
but since this thread is within the Biological Evolution Forum I will take that as the context.
Well that's something at least. Perhaps not all 800 or so posts have been a total waste.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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