EvC Forum: Independent Historical Corroboration for Biblical Events

I suspect that the 'Doc' is lurking, but even if he isn't I am going to reply for the benefit of others.

Obviously if you spent more time studying instead of living indarknes (sic) of the con game that has plagued you and Christian mankind for 1,973 years you may have been able to have received this "proof" you have been seeking all your darkened life.

Your writing is very poor, but I will try to decipher it anyway. You will find that a comma or two will make your text more readable. I dread to think what the grammar of your PhD thesis was like.

Anyway, ‘studying’ what exactly would let me see the proof that you are on about, the collection of ancient myths that you happen to think are actually real? Since you have emphatically failed to provide one single referenced source other than the Bible for your assertions, then the logical conclusion is that you are under some kind of illusion that the Bible is accurate about anything.

You clearly need to widen your reading material a lot , you are caught up in a circularity that has trapped you in a web of self-delusion, which is going to push you over the edge into insanity, no joking, the signs are already there that you are a little unstable.

What has ‘plagued’ Christians for 1973 years, the failure of Jesus to do a single thing he said he would? Go moan to him, it isn’t my fault that you cannot see a con when it is staring you in the face.

Only those foolish enough to want to destroy what the spiritual Biblical accounts have shown to (sic) many and have been hidden TO (sic) many such as yourself proves the exact point that God's word is exact.

Still no sign of a comma anywhere, are you sure you are a doctor?
Let me educate you a little. The spiritual truths of the Bible cannot be proven true of false, they can only be affirmed or denied, These truths are taken as a matter of faith, and if you are intent on finding physical evidence for these claims, the I seriously doubt your commitment to God.

Some people (like yourself) are fooled into a false security of lies and misrepresentations.

Yes, I agree, but I managed to escape the Church and I am now free from all these lies and misrepresentations. I have my doubts as to whether you have the intellectual capabilities to escape your fairytale though, I wish you luck.

In fact and it is fact brian that science has not disqualified Biblical accounts but has proven them.

Another baseless assertion, you have failed to present any evidence of this, will I just take your word for it?

The last time I looked science still claims that insects have more than four legs, as for that unicorn..

Something you obviously do not comprehend.

The reason I don’t comprehend them is because it is patently untrue! You seriously need to get a hold of some decent academic books, these two-penny novels that you have been reading are sensationalist claptrap, and you think they are convincing! Is there a conspiracy theory that your website doesn’t promote?
As for comprehension, you have a cheek, you are barely literate.

The logistics of pre-escatoligical (sic) advancements (sic) has shown that not only is the Bible correct in its assertions but more accurate than any reletive (sic) prophetic or inane philosiphies (sic) produced as a result of lies and said misrepresentation.

By ‘inane’ philosophies, I take it you are talking about Platonism and Plotinus’ Neoplatonism that the entire Christian eschatological mythology is based on?

Jesus was repeating Psalms 22 while dying on the cross.

Was he singing it or just quoting it?

The thing is about people of your very limited ability and severe lack of education is that you are unable to see what is wrong with your claims. Let my educate you a little more.

You are claiming that Jesus said these words, and your source is the same text that you get your information from, this is circular reasoning. Broken down a little more, you are saying that the Bible records the fact that Jesus said these words and your source for ‘proving’ this is the Bible!

I have been teaching at high schools for about 5 years now Doc, and I am serious when I say that your level of ability is equal to that of a 12 year old. You have absolutely no enquiry skills at all, no critical skills, and your sentence structure is diabolical.

I seriously doubt that you have a PhD, unless it is one of those degree mill fakes. One thing is for certain, you really need to enlist on an ‘Introduction to the Bible’ course, you could also do with studying what history actually is, but forget archaeology, the methodologies would melt your brain, if you had one.

He quoted it in front of Roman witnesses as well as Kenite ones.

Again, this is yet another circular argument for something that you have no proof of outside of your myths.

Since it was NOT Jews that crucified Him (something you probably didn’t (sic) know),

You mean crucifixion is not a Jewish punishment, well stone me. Doc, this is Sunday school stuff, we were taught this when I was about 5 years old. The way you put this over, it sounds as if you have only recently found this out yourself!

why then would they lie?

What are you talking about, who is lying and what are they lying about?

In fact there is historical documentation both roman and jewish (sic) that do this exact thing.

Any chance that you could go wild and actually reference it, wasn’t referencing your sources a basic requirement of your ‘PhD’?

For your information they can be located in the United States Congressional Library. Something else I dare discern you do not know. The American Archaeological Institution in Washington D.C. can also help you out on these eye witness reports.

There are no eyewitness reports, unless you can name some of course. BTW, the Mitchell library has information that negates the USC Library, I won’t bother pointing it out, you can find it yourself, if you are really wanting to find it. (This was probably lost on you)

In Psalms 22 It (sic) is written 1,000 years before His birth and it is a fact whether you want to believe it or not shows you have no historical evidence your self (sic) and are in complete denial.

What is a fact, that psalms 22 was written 1000 years before Jesus was born? I am finding it difficult to follow your train of thought. But, we will go with this meaning and hope it is the correct one.

You actually do not know when any of the psalms were written, that they are (or most of them are), attributed to David is only a tradition and not a fact. David more than likely is a mythological character, for all the great achievements he is given by the Bible, it speaks volumes that there is absolutely no external evidence of his existence. I know in your world that evidence is not high on the list of priorities when investigating actual historical events, but for historians it one of those little annoying things that you got to have.

We know this from found documentation both in America and in the area known as the Dead Sea these things are factual.

This is another schoolchild error you keep making. Your total lack of education in history, or a related subject, is apparent when you keep repeating the words ‘fact’ and factual’, these are not terms that are used very often by historians and archaeologists. Evidence only implies, it very rarely does more than this. I suggest that you get a dictionary and look up the word ‘fact’ and see where you are going wrong.

Again I suggest you put down those false books written to dispel Biblical events that were only written for pocket money (called profit)

I think the Vatican, and other ‘Churches’ have profited fairly well from your false book.

in exchange for ignorant persons such as yourself aqnd (sic) to keep you ignorant to draw improper conclusions of what is a fact both historically and archeaologically (sic) which (sic) were done without profit.

These ‘facts’ would be what exactly, you still haven’t cited an external source for your ‘factual’ claims, what is the criteria your use in establishing a ‘fact’. Don’t bother answering that, I know the answer, if it is in the fairytale Bible book then it is a fact. I will refrain from the obligatory ‘DUH’.

You see you have NO proof that it isnt.(sic)

It is a bit of a bummer than that the person making the existential claim has the burden of proof, must be a real nightmare for you that. But you are not really that big on providing proof are you, do the people that you usually chat to not see how poorly educated you are?

We both know that don’t (sic) we?

I don’t think that you know an awful lot Doc.

All one has to do is read Psalms 22 and then read what Christ did say while upon the cross.

However, you have no proof that Jesus actually said this on the cross, do you seriously think that it is impossible for someone to make this up in order to prove a point? You do know that there is a dispute over his last words?

Even at His death He was teaching but you wouldnt (sic) know that would you brian?

Oh he was teaching alright, and I bet he got a real fright when he realised that he wasn’t a god after all! It was a pity that he wasn’t a more honest guy and confessed his sins before he died.

In fact in Luke a doctor not a spiritualist or imaginable delusions or lies wrote and did actual historical research as a man of science and reported what he did in his book by his own name.

Is your surname McFall, (sorry Brad just joking), I have no idea what on Earth you are saying here.

You see Christ never had a moment of doubt in the garden

LOL, really, this is why he was sweating blood, he was stressed to the max, have you ever read the Bible Doc?

nor hesitation to go to the cross for you. Something you inherently wouldnt (sic) know either.

This is getting pretty dumb Doc, who would inherently know this?

Of course you would have to be a bit of a scholar and historian as well as a linguist or perhaps know something of the languages used and written.

That certainly counts you out, maybe you should approach this again once you have sat some introductory courses?

Luk_12:50 When Christ said; "But I have a baptism to be baptized with," means; His crucification, (sic) not by water but by spirit is why he said he rendered his spirit to the father before he died. "And how am I straitened till it shall be accomplished!" just means; He was anxious to do it. And how I am straitened (kai pwv sunexomai [no greek (sic) fonts here]). See this same vivid verb sunexomai in Luk_8:37; Act_18:5; Phi_1:23 where Paul uses it of his desire for death just as Jesus does here. The urge of the Cross is upon Jesus at the moment of these words. We catch a glimpse of the tremendous passion in his soul that drove him on.

Well if Jesus was God, why should he fear death, he cannot die if he is a God, not even for a second, what is wrong with you?

Jesus fulfilled much of the old (sic) testament (sic) but of course you wouldnt (sic) know that brian (sic) would you since you refuse to study to shew (sic) thyself unto God a workman worthy of his praise.

Jesus fulfilled nothing in the Old Testament that relates to the Messiah, and the thing he could fulfil, could be fulfilled by countless people.

No you probably only want to worship your satan (sic) god and continue in his efforts to destroy. Like father like son?

Like Son of Stan you mean! LOL

Let's get you some fulfillment in your miserable darkened life.

Yeah, let’s do that, what do you suggest?

And people wonder why God allows this or that or doesn’t (sic) hear someones (sic) prayer, total ignorance like this denies Him.

Some people do yes, but I don’t. I really do not think about God at all, the tooth fairy has more influence on my life than God does.

The reason why one knows Psalms 22 and 69 were written almost 1,000 years before Christ is because David wrote them. Guess when he lived if you can brian?

You mean guess when you think he lived Doc, you have no proof that he lived at all, but I am familiar with the chronologies thanks.

Their births are recorded in the Roman legislature documentation for taxes that were demaned (sic) of every Hebrew the Romans had conqust (sic) over.

The Romans conquered David? The Romans have records of David’s birth, are you serious Doc? I think you will find that David was just a little bit before the Romans came to call.

DUH!

Very intellectual Doc.

Or are the Roman antagonitsts (sic) lying too?

I don’t know, since you haven’t posted anything of any substance to support your fantasy.

You see also in Egypt there are records by Pharoah's (sic) security forces of births and deaths.

Where are they then?

In fact the very kenites (sic) that murdered Christ on the cross to fulfill yet another part of prophecy today believes (sic) and has recordation of these events.

This would be?

Many today are called Islam.

Pardon, do you mean that many today are Muslim or Islamic?

Now if you know anyting (sic) about Islam you know they care not for the Jews nor Christianity but of course in your small unknowledable (sic) mind you wouldnt (sic) be up on current events that started about 636 A.D. or possibly you never heard of Mohamad?

Since I have taught an introduction to Islam course for four years I do know a little about Islam, including how to spell Muhammad.

Oh that’s (sic) right, there is no "proof" is there that he existed in your (sic) incompetant mental fradualties. (sic)

When did I claim this, there is ample proof that Muhammad was a real person, there is none such proof for Jesus though.

Some people are just plain lazy.

Or plain dense

Letters to Tiberius Caeser (sic) by one Pontius Pilate. Maybe you should read them brian (sic) and wake up to reality. Christianity is NOT a religion it IS a reality. LETTERS OF HEROD AND PILATE,
CONNECTING ROMAN HISTORY with THE Death OF CHRIST AT
JERUSALEM.

I cannot believe that you have fallen for this; these are nothing better than von Danikenesque dramas. They are fake for goodness sakes, what is wrong with you?

You have actually answered none of my questions satisfactorily. You have completely ignored the majority of my responses and now you are running away?

Why don’t you be honest with yourself for once and tell us the real reason why you are saying ‘bye-bye’?

I tell you what, I will do it for you. You are running away because you know that the average poster at this site is far superior than the morons that you are used to debating with. You realise that you are way out of your depth, and rather than slug it out, you up tail and run.

You really should hang around Doc, you may learn something, and you might even come to like some of us.

Brian.

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